• Well, I missed this entire "episode." I'd heard about it and finally made it over to see what all the fuss was about.

    This is the first time I've seen this side of blogging and I'm glad I wasn't caught in the middle.

    I enjoyed the post by Rita and I'm sorry about all the judgment and confusion and bashing that has happened.

    I enjoyed Rita's blog before it changed, and I still enjoy Barbara's blog. I get different things from different blogs. I know that we are adults, and we are also human. Unfortunately we have egos and they are spoiled brats. They spoil our perspectives of each other.

    <abbr>Davinas last blog post..A Ghostly Life Experience</abbr>
  • Vincent
    This is totally a "Who crapped in the fish bowl?" moment.

    See, THIS is why we can't have nice things!
  • @Writer Dad and Steph

    Wow...I left this party about 80 comments ago...everyone was happy and having fun. Now I come back, and the house is trashed!

    Seems some guests drank too much, and got out of control, and tried to pick a few fights.

    Not your fault, Writer Dad. As a host, you did your best to make sure everyone got along.

    I think it's some OTHER guests that owe you an apology.

    <abbr>Friars last blog post..Getting to Know More People in Your NeighborHood.</abbr>
  • Laurie
    Oh my....This is my first time on this blog. I have seen writer dad's name on other sites and decided to stroll over for a peek. Not what I expected but I will be back to see what writer dad has on a typical post.

    As far as the post itself, I benefit from you bloggers comments on each others blogs. It helps me to decide where I might venture next in this world. I have no blog myself. I just like to read the posts and enter into the conversation. I like to pose questions back to perhaps add a slant that may not have been thought of before. I don't mind if someone disagrees with me. Tim for example has disagreed with me on several issues. We are really polar opposites politically and while I read his many pokes at poor Palin, I have not personally been offended. I CHOSE not to be offended. I think Tim's Palin pokes are funny. I feel comfortable disagreeing with both Tim and Hayden (both whom I respect as bloggers and love to read) because I know that if they disagree with me, they will discuss the issue and not attack me. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Disagreement and respectful discussions of those disagreements is where we are given opportunities to grow in our thinking.

    Rita has a difficult time, it seems, to discuss the issue without making it personal. What she said by revealing a private discussion between her and Tim was not discussing the issue. It was trying to cause some ill feelings between him and writer dad. I am confused about why that seemed like the right thing to do. It seemed to move into the arena of bullying and manipulation. A power play to one up another person. I have been a reader of Tim's for a while now, I have read his books, talked to him on email, and he even donated some time to me for a phone call pro bono when I needed some advice. I have found Tim to be of outstanding character and would believe what he says as truthful.

    Hayden is a breath of fresh air. She is idealistic but that is what I need sometimes in this world where negativity seems to reign. She has great insight for such a young lady. I wish I had it that together when I was her age. She has my respect.

    As for Rita, I find her too risky to venture to her site. I would want to speak my mind but it wouldn't be worth the verbal assault that I could be setting myself up for.

    As a person who doesn't have a blog, I do sometimes just want to say, "Hey I loved this post!" That is because it moved me and while I may not have anything huge to add to the conversation, I want the writer to know that his/her words mattered to me. As a writer myself, I like to know if my words moved someone in some way. I think other writers like to know that as well.

    So Writer Dad, I will be back. I think that the train wreck, as you put it, didn't scare me away from this site but Rita's. I know she will not lose sleep over that and that's fine. But the integrity of the various players spoke in their comments here, and while with some, that was a good thing, with others it was not.

    Remember disagreement is good. Discussions are good but discuss the issue and not the attributes of the person making the disagreeing comment.

    Have a great day everyone. :O)
  • LMAO, Genghis Khan!!

    <abbr>Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..How Will Life Challenge You?</abbr>
  • I'm probably the only one who'd want to follow this. Probably because I'm crazy.

    <abbr>Matthew Drydens last blog post..Why Do You Always Make Me Shout At You?</abbr>
  • Genghis Khan
    May I offer my services?
  • So, um... who is next week's guest blogger?

    They'll have quite the act to follow.
  • What in the hell just went on here? Late to the "party..." though I'm kind of glad!

    Huh.

    Yucky.

    Not that I won't be back, of course. I really like Sean.

    Things felt a little dirty in the comments to say the least, though. Hey, it sucks for blog owners to have this happen. It ruins things. When we're here, it's like we're at a person's house, right. I guess we need to remember that.

    <abbr>stephs last blog post..The Woohoo! Report</abbr>
  • wow....

    I'm wondering if I need to break out my black parachute pants with the grey zippers and my black fingerless lace gloves to go with that neon pink sweatshirt and black belt over the sweatshirt. Oh yeah, and I had a black fedora and matching neon pink socks.

    High School totally ROCKS!

    <abbr>Kool Aids last blog post..the wheels are turning</abbr>
  • To the technologically literate community with manners and levity, hats off! To the community without manners, it is a pleasure to know you have taken your marbles and gone home. This experience has been enlightening. Anger, selfishness and greed should be a fire stoked in a personal campsite. Cooperation, collaboration, and community is always celebrated. Great minds run through the same river. Glad to paddle along with a community that is mindful of honor, respect, and can choose to voice personal comments in an appropriate way. ^ 5 Write On!

    <abbr>Daisys last blog post..Cut the Cable, Cut the Crap.</abbr>
  • @Writer Dad: The only thing I felt about your comment counter was jealousy, and I mean that in a good way. On the one hand, I know that if I want delicious discussion, I come to Writer Dad, on the other hand...I wish it were me.

    And please, relax about your comment behavior. I'm sure we've all done it. Hell, I just did it last week when I claimed reader bankruptcy. I just don't have the time.

    <abbr>Matthew Drydens last blog post..Why Do You Always Make Me Shout At You?</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Matthew: Thank you for your email. I'm thankful you sent it. Yes I drive comments, and think of the comment counter as a blue ribbon. It is gone, and I'm sorry. I've tried to be better about my comment behavior, and will continue to do so. I am always approachable, as long as the message is delivered with respect. Discourse is a part of growth. Everyone who reads this blog, especially from the beginning, is seeing me grow every day. I am an honest writer, I do not try to hide behind my words. I try to say what is on my mind, as honestly and attractively as I can. My niche is myself. Not everyone is going to like me. I'm totally cool with that. But if there's things that I'm doing that I could do better, I'd like the chance to do it. Thanks again, Matthew.

    Tim: Thanks for the email. High five for amazing communication.
  • @ Mathew - Thanks for that, it's appreciated and you have my utmost respect for stepping in.

    <abbr>Tim Brownsons last blog post..Don't Worry, Be Happy!</abbr>
  • @ Rita - Classy response.

    You NEVER heard me say that. You NEVER heard me say I hated anybody it's a word I NEVER use. I'm confident enough to know that people that will read this know me better. You either have a poor memory or if I was going to be uncharitable I'd say you were lashing out and making stuff up,

    I'll take this off line to the people that matter and let you do what you have to do.

    <abbr>Tim Brownsons last blog post..Don't Worry, Be Happy!</abbr>
  • The comments in the entry are absolute bullshit. Yeah, we all have our issues with Writer Dad, but if Tim wanted to share his problem with the world, he would have laid it out himself. That's not your right, you were told something on confidence, and you just shattered your integrity.

    Yeah, I once bitched about these things behind the scenes, but I understood, as I'm sure that Tim does, that Sean is a busy guy. He runs a school in his own residence, has two children, and a wife, apparently none of which he neglects, and on top of all that, he's has all the other crap.

    It's obvious that the whole sidebar is geared towards driving more comments. It's not a big secret. I kind of hated it too. But I'm writing out my stance on the subject out on my own because I don't think it's fair that you singled Tim out, especially in a way that could side-swipe an innocent bystander.

    At first I wondered if you were just fired up, but it's been almost two days since this entry was posted. I don't hate you Rita, and I care if you're mean. But I think that if someone tells you something in confidence, it should stay that way. I'm telling you this because I think you're in danger of taking a swing at people who don't need to be dragged into your mess. Learn from this Rita, apologize, tap into that humanity that I know is inside of you. Or at least realize that you've gone too far. Now is the time, Rita. We all make mistakes, there is always room for forgiveness.

    <abbr>Matthew Drydens last blog post..Why Do You Always Make Me Shout At You?</abbr>
  • megan
    My head is spinning... I just read this whole thing. Rita, I have to say that a high school attitude would be a serious improvement for you. You're stuck back in junior high (the girls in jr. high were WAY meaner in my day).
  • The last post was addressed to Rita, just in case it wasn't obvious.

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..An early Halloween treat</abbr>
  • I didn't disagree with your post in general. I disagreed with the attitude in which you pounded on Hayden and then Barbara. As for my last post, it was bringing some much needed levity to what has become a trainwreck of a thread.

    And no need to bring the nastiness over to my blog. I deleted your comment.

    And your last post here, reprehensible. Thank YOU for showing us what adults act like.

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..An early Halloween treat</abbr>
  • @ Tim,
    You're talking semantics, silly! We discussed SO MUCH on the phone: How you hate Writer Dad's site and his attitude, and his "comment counter" and how he never comes to your blog...you DID hurt me by your comment, you explained what it meant, and we made peace. Oops. I think that was supposed to be "confidential." Sorry, the mind aint what it used to be. So sorry. Cheeri-o!

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Matthew:

    First was Rita Hayworth.
    Last, I believe was Raquel Welch.

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • What was the first poster that Andy put up in The Shawshank Redemption? (Easy)

    What was the last poster that Andy had up? (Harder)

    Now this is movie trivia!

    <abbr>Matthew Drydens last blog post..Why Do You Always Make Me Shout At You?</abbr>
  • It's the Magnum, try harder.

    <abbr>Matthew Drydens last blog post..Why Do You Always Make Me Shout At You?</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Tim: What are the rules of fight club? Oh wait... Tara answered that. Um... what is the name of Derek Zoolander's most famous look (hint: it is the successor to Blue Steel).

    Matthew: Your site sells itself. : > )

    Everyone: This daddy bear is going into his cave to hibernate. I'll see you after dinner.
  • Dude, my site getting pimped and I don't even know about it.

    <abbr>Matthew Drydens last blog post..Why Do You Always Make Me Shout At You?</abbr>
  • I think you could hit a billion comments on this one WD!

    @ Rita - You aint gonna like this, but I'm going to say it anyway as is my want. You misunderstood what I meant in a comment and took offense. Then when you realized I actually meant the opposite, you were ok with it.

    Fact is I have no power over you or anybody else for that matter, other than that which you give away. Any words I use are just that, words. In other words, I didn't hurt you, you did, by firstly jumping to an erroneous conclusion and then interpreting that conclusion in a negative manner.

    See I told you, you would like it ;-) I await your wrath!

    @ Writer Dad and Blogger Dad - What was the question again? ;-)

    <abbr>Tim Brownsons last blog post..Don't Worry, Be Happy!</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Tara: Yay! You got the special bonus "12 pack" question. That doubles your points. Okay, Kim. Now you and Tara are even. Thank you Tara for being so thorough.
  • The first rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club.
    The second rule of Fight Club is, you DO NOT talk about Fight Club.
    If someone says stop or looks like they're dead or something, the fight is over.
    Two guys to a fight.
    One fight at a time.
    No tops, no shoes.
    Fights last as long as they need to.
    If this is your first night at Fight Club, you have to fight.
    If you don't fancy Brad Pitt in this film there is something wrong with you

    <abbr>Tara@From Dawn Till Rusks last blog post..The business of blogging: Dave's story</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Tara: Tomorrow's post... "What's Your Least Favorite Indy Movie?" It used to be Temple for me, but I've since come to appreciate it's darkness and separation from the others in tone. I just try to ignore Kate Capshaw. I kind of like short round, but that's only because when I first saw Temple of Doom, I'd already seen Goonies, so I was happy to see Data spreading his wings a bit. I was actually disappointed he wasn't in The Crystal Dull.

    Blogger Dad/Kim Woodbridge, and everyone who just sent me an email: Thanks, you guys are knowledgeable, helpful, and efficient. I'm still waiting for the rules of fight club. (way to get the first one, Kim). I have to think of something awesome for the hundred points.
  • @Writer Dad - depends on the comments section. On the ones on this page, click on the comment number for the permalink to the article and comment. On Matthew's, click on the date and time.

    Which reminds me, I need to add permalinks to my own comments.

    What do I do with the 100 points? I'm not touching the rules of Fight Club - I only know the first one :-)

    <abbr>Kim Woodbridges last blog post..(Anti) Social-Lists 10/19/08</abbr>
  • Blogger Dad
    Matthew's blog

    Sean - just use html coding. I will email you since I don't think I can post here without making it a hyperlink

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..An early Halloween treat</abbr>
  • BD do not dis Raiders. Sure you can lay into the current one (which I could have cried when I saw it because it was SO bad - aliens?) and even Temple of Doom with the awful screechy 'heroine' and pointless child. But not Raiders my friend. Step away from the keyboard and leave it be.

    <abbr>Tara@From Dawn Till Rusks last blog post..The business of blogging: Dave's story</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Blogger Dad: You know what was awesome? Fight club, that's what. Fifty points to the first one who knows all the rules to fight club. If you want to read a post that's kind of fight clubby, check out matthewdryden.ca. A hundred points to the first person who can tell me how to make a hyperlink from the comment section.
  • WD - Yes, Dreamcatcher was AWFUL!
    Raiders became a joke as it went on. I went and saw one of the latter installments with a friend of mine and it seemed like every other second was an explosion which didn't make sense. I joked at the time, "watch, that horse is going to fall and blow up."

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..An early Halloween treat</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Tara: EVER?? Do you not like family films/gangster sagas?
  • Writer Dad
    Sorry guys: I started these in text edit and finished them in the box, so I just realized these were missing.

    Matthew: For the record, my numbers climbed at exactly the same pace the day after my NBOTW than they had the day before. To my knowledge, Barbara has never claimed to discover me. I do remember when she featured me, she said it was reader request and that I needed no introduction because I was already established in the community. You are right, this feels very schoolyard.

    Miguel: I'm in love with a lot of phrasing I've seen in this thread. I adore this. If we agree with everything we said a year ago, we sure haven't walked very far.

    Tim: I agree with Blogger Dad, of course. This community feels a little extra special, at least to me. I also agree with you that the best bloggers check their ego at the door. I have ego about what I write, same as I would want to show of a table I made, but I don't have ego about what I know. I'm always willing to learn, and that's a hard thing to do when you're driving with ego as transmission.
  • WD, Raiders is my favourite EVER film. You have just upped your kudos stakes by, oooo, lots.

    <abbr>Tara@From Dawn Till Rusks last blog post..The business of blogging: Dave's story</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Scott: Wait until your Askimet folder is filling up twice a day. That's a drag. Then you have to sift through to make sure some of our favorite people didn't get thrown inside. Just sigh, and know it's day by day. Thank you for being such a positive contributor.

    Barbara: You are welcome.

    Tara: Empire Strikes back, BY FAR, best of the series. It was never the same after that. My theory? Lawrance Kasdan, who also wrote Raiders of the Lost Ark, which is like the most awesomest movie of all time (that doesn't have bullet time). Of course he also stunk up the theaters with Dreamcatcher, two and a half decades later. By the third, Lucas was all "We've gotta please the kiddies! Do you KNOW how many toys they're buying??!?!?!!" And though I wouldn't take a crowbar to The Phantom Menace like Tara, we all know exactly what it was. And seriously Tara, if you think you're late, please know; I just put on some music. I come back after not having internet all morning and come back to this. My goodness. Let's leave the playground and dance.
  • Tara and Blogger Dad,
    Thank you so much for agreeing with my blog. Most bloggers DO behave as if they are still in High School - tee-hee.

    I am always pleased when people agree with my blogs - though I'm still a big enough girl to listen to voices of reason that don't.

    Thanks again - for helping me make my ORIGINAL POINT. You guys are great! :-)

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Tara - How DARE you come in here and start throwing mud?! Troublemaker :) As for Star Wars movies, I liked The Empire Strikes Back best. Tragic endings appealed to me even then. That, and I loved the AT Walkers. Those things were so cool looking. I wanted one as a boy, but we couldn't afford them. I'm hoping Star Wars makes another comeback when my son is at the age to play with toys so I can have an excuse to play with them... er, I mean, play with him. Yeah.

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..An early Halloween treat</abbr>
  • So that Star Wars, bloody good film I thought . . .

    What? What?

    (I'm a bit late to the party here, but I think the cans are all empty and they've started to play Lady in Red so it's time to go home . . .)

    <abbr>Tara@From Dawn Till Rusks last blog post..The business of blogging: Dave's story</abbr>
  • Barbara,
    YOUR community? lol - Writer Dad is welcome to his blog back. You just nailed your own coffin.
    R.

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Barb,

    Oh yes, I feel MUCH better - not for bashing you, but for exposing you. Writer Dad can take back his blog at any time he wishes to do so - the choice is neither mine nor yours. And your email address was long-ago moved from my address list.

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Miguel,

    Thank you for your kind words...from what I see of you now, it is difficult for me to see how you got your High School "nickname"

    I don't have ice in my veins. Like Hayden, as a matter of fact, I suffer profoundly daily - though our causes of suffering are quite different.

    lol - no, I am neither a serial killer, nor an evil spammer. (though my life has been profoundly affected by the actions of 2 serial killers - which, one day, I might blog about)

    Nonetheless, I have nothing to "work out" with Barbara, though I appreciate your suggestion. All one needs to do is look at the first line of her second comment - she wasn't expecting a response from me - this is a person who does not know how a "comment thread" works. Anybody can comment on anybody else's comment, but I DO agree that respect could have been better shown (NOT in my comments to Barbara, but in my comments to others).

    Finally, I hope, that you will ALL go back to the comments - those left by OTHERS and by me. For the most part, people agreed with what I was TRYING to say in my blog. When Wendi disagreed, did I dismiss her? No - I complimented her. Same with Friar. And others. And when Dave and Blogger Dad come down on ME - they didn't even have to - I was going to start my day with apologies due. But they DID, and I respect them MORE for it, not less.

    Again, I thank you for your kind words, and your suggestions. But just as I am not everybody's "cup of tea," Barb is not mine. If the right to disagree in comments is taken away, that is NOT a "blog" I wish to visit - it is a dictatorship at worst, or a cult at best.

    Thank you,
    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Hi Rita - I hope you feel better now that you've bashed me twice.

    Let's give Writer Dad his blog back. If you choose to continue to vent on how I blog, I know you have my email address as you've used it before when you had this same type of issue with another blogger in my community.

    Thank you Writer Dad and those who have come to my defense.

    <abbr>Barbara Swaffords last blog post..Who Taught You - Open Mic</abbr>
  • Tim - What, you disagree with ME?! How DARE YOU? I was right, you are wrong. Now please go crawl in a hole and die. Thank you.

    just kidding, dude.

    My thought was that this community is special because people are willing to discuss matters intelligently without resorting to hurling insults at one another. The previous example of this community's maturity being the "Benjamin" discussion, which could have gone downhill really fast.

    Rita - It seems like you have some pent up anger at Barbara as you are attacking her for things such as claiming to have discovered Writer Dad, which to my knowledge she hasn't claimed. When you say stuff like this and with the tone you are using rather than staying on topic it comes off as batshit crazy.

    I disagree with your opinion of her blog, but that's okay, to each our own opinion. As to your legitimate arguments with Barbara, I will let Barbara answer to those as I have no knowledge of them.

    Speaking for myself, I have found Barbara's archives to be incredibly helpful with information in both blog posts and the comments sections. I already said that I find it impossible to follow and comment on as many blogs as Barbara does but that doesn't mean I disagree with her method. If I had more time, I would follow and comment at more blogs - provided I actually enjoy them and could provide something to the conversation.

    Barbara provides a service to the blogging community and has used her own platform to help elevate others. One could argue that by doing so, she in turn is also elevated - that's fine. One ought to receive attention for one's efforts. I believe Barbara is a sincere person interested in the welfare of other bloggers. But again, that is my opinion.

    You attack Barbara for not spending a lot of time blogging, yet I think we need to be aware of how much time is involved in the other things such as following and commenting and responding to emails. I have emailed Barbara a number of times with questions which she provided lengthy answers to. These things take time and should count for something.

    In the end, how often Barbara (or anyone for that matter) chooses to blog, the lengths of her posts and the frequency at which she does so is completely HER decision. It's her life and her blog. If she wants to blog once a month, then so be it. If her readers are unsatisfied, they will let her know - one way or another.

    I'm surprised at your tone in these comments, first to Hayden and now to Barbara. The attacks seem mean spirited - like the actions of a schoolyard bully.

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..An early Halloween treat</abbr>
  • Rita,

    I am sad that your last few days have been painful. In comparation this thread is of little matter.

    However, I hope with you that you can sort things out with Barbara. I know, everybody who has been in the internet for any length of time knows it is a seeded field for misunderstandings. I hope it is one.

    I hope you understand I can only know so much.

    In any case, if it helps, I can't consider you a "bad or mean person, you are not a serial killer or worse, an evil spmmer, are you? Come on I've heard tougher words in seminary, from people who were close friends. Stuff happens.

    Maybe I take things too easy, but then, I was called "sangre de horchata" (iced milkshake blood) at highschool.
  • @ Matthew, Hayden (and again, I AM sorry), and Miguel,
    Thank you for your input. Yes, in my eyes, what was done was not only necessary, but way overdue. When somebody shuts down for 4 days by telling people to "play nice," it is akin to saying "no room for disagreement." Barb had no right to say WHO could comment on her comment, and who couldn't. And I don't need to be told how to play in the sandbox at my age.

    Though I am certain that things (I should say "hopeful") will change for a while at Barb's site, have you ever tried to really disagree with her? This is what will happen: your comment will "get lost." I have screen shots to prove this, where I humbly, and with total reverance, disagreed. When I asked "gee, Barb, is there perhaps something wrong with my computer? I don't see my comment" immediately, the comment went up - or she knew I would just send it again.

    I am not a "bad" or "mean" person, contrary to what you might think. I LOVE comments. And I LOVE people. And, I occasionally make mistakes. And if I believe I have wronged someone, I DO apologize. But I was waiting. Barbara is nothing if NOT predicatable - and I was waiting for the attack, because I knew it was coming. And, as predicted, it came - and won me a $5.00 bet from my husband...

    It may seem unfathomable to you, reading a diatribe (actually two), but I chose every word carefully. And I meant every word I said. I just tried NOT to cross the line into getting sued. And if you think I expressed only MY thoughts about Barb and her blog, you are VERY wrong.

    Read the blogs you like. I am never one to tell you not to. But I will NOT "read" blogs that lack content, and where disagreement is not permitted; where I have to walk on eggshells to leave a comment; and where the "blogger" has ceased to provide useful information to me.

    These last few days have been extremely painful for me. I hurt people, and I'm sorry. But I WON'T be told who can respond to a comment, and who can't. One of you has been to my blog - perhaps twice. The other 2, not at all. If you knew ME at all, I DO have a love for blogging, writing, commenting, etc...And I choose EVERY SINGLE WORD carefully. Should I not be afforded the same "human status" behind the words that you want? Or that Barb tried to "remind" everyone of? Does that not apply to me?

    In closing, all I can say is: "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

    Rita

    @ Tim,
    Other than inadvertantly hurting another person - something that YOU recently did to ME, and which we maturely discussed and moved on from, I couldn't agree with you more. This is what a comment thread SHOULD be - agreements, disagreements, new ideas, the whole shebang.

    Where I have to disagree with you is on Blogger Dad's comment. Though I agree PRECISELY with what you said about it, nobody expected this at Writer Dad's, which is a "comfort zone." and Writer Dad and I DID discuss this before-hand.

    But you can't be more than right. At the vast majority of blogs, egos should be checked at the door. To me, this is what blogging - and commenting are all about - letting go of the egos that we carried around in High School, where everything felt directed at "us," when it usually wasn't, and having adult conversations which include a broad spectrum of opinions. Thanks, man...oops - Cheers, mate!

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • LMAO at this thread!

    I have scrolled down and been thinking "Yep, that's a good point" "Oh, so is that" "That's true too"

    Blogger Dad said “this thread is just another example of how this community is different from most others on the blogosphere. People are willing to work through to the next level.”

    I have to disagree completely, this is a brilliant microcosm of the bloggersphere and that's not a bad thing at all. There are hundreds of blogs that 'deal' with stuff and the ones that don't collapse and die. I agree that some of the 'A'listers don't have communities as such it's just a rush for people to get the link back up to their own website up first. Anybody here indulge in that game from time to time? ;-)

    I love comment threads like this because it really opens stuff up and gets past the veneer of everybody being in agreement all the time. Real life isn't like that and it's good to chat and listen to other peoples opinions, especially when they're diametrically opposed to our own.

    All bloggers (me included) should have to sign a contract promising to leave our egos at the door when we post Or maybe things would get a tad too boring then!

    <abbr>Tim Brownsons last blog post..Don't Worry, Be Happy!</abbr>
  • I don't know what's going on here. I suppose good posts are controversial, yet I need to say that I like both this post , Writer Dad and Blogging without a Blog.

    It's not that agree with everything they say, or even with everything I said a year ago. But that doesn't mean I don't find value.

    Rita you have a great post overall, though I might disagree on details, you are warning us against the evils of a very common tendency in humans. We still want to be popular.

    But that said I feel Barbara has a great blog and I don't think she intended to offend you.

    <abbr>Miguel de Luiss last blog post..How to recover your family life - The slow family manifesto</abbr>
  • Hi, Rita!

    Ok, to be fair, I got a qualified apology in the middle of a comment about how you were still mostly right. However, I'll take it! ;)

    Now, I don't know who Barbara is, or what "NTOBW" is, but does she deserve a comment so aggressive in tone? And is 'real' blogging writing an 800 word post everyday?

    I figure that someone posts whenever and whatever they are moved to and thus will be subject to 'the marketplace of ideas'. If people don't like it, or they lose interest, they will leave.

    I have a friend who is teaching English in Korea and my major form of contact with her is through her blog. She posts erratically and sometimes her posts consist of nothing more than a relating of an adorable comment from one her students, or a photo of a temple.

    Is her blog a lesser form of blog? Is she a faux or pretend blogger? I don't think so.

    I guess what you are saying is if someone isn't providing 'value' then they shouldn't bother blogging. But, do you see? Value is neither quantitative nor objective. It simply comes down to what you decide is of value. But to assume (as I mistakenly did) that what you value is what is to be most valued is a mistake.

    It seems, however, you are very passionate about this topic. And that's cool. But could you be passionate without attacking others?

    I would never suggest that if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all. Perhaps, however, if you don't have something nice to say you could still express it within the bounds of civil discourse?

    I truly hope you are having a lovely weekend.

    Hayden

    <abbr>Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..How Will Life Challenge You?</abbr>
  • I can already hear the screech of sneakers down the hallway and the bell ringing.

    I've discovered some really great blogs from Barbara's site. I could frankly care less if they already have a growing community before she got there. I think we can all collectively say that Writer Dad would have made it big, regardless, because he's a selfless blogger, his our champion blogger (so to speak), and he does it well.

    She was only stating that she wasn't expecting a full-on attack from you. Frankly, neither was I. Regardless of whether or not it was a five word response or a 500 word response, I think it could have been more of a discussion and less of an attack.

    We may not have zits, but sticks and stones are being thrown across the schoolyard. Jesus, now I remember why I left my hometown.

    Anyone can have the last word, I could care less. I just hope I made my point clear enough.
  • Barb,
    I have absolutely no doubt that you did not expect a reply from me, as who would dare to NOT give you the "last word." Yet what YOU said was offensive, and a total affront to ME. In the "High School Community" about which I wrote, YOU are the principal. And whether I wrote the original blog or not, I have every right to comment in the thread as anyone else. Isn't what keeps this "community" alive? The back-and-flow of commenting?

    You do NOT get to select who comments on your comment. I told Writer Dad to feel free to take my comment off. This is the "real world" of commenting, Barb, with people aggreeing and disagreeing as opposed to what one sees on "Blogless Without a Blog," where people don't dare disagree, because it's not "nice" or their comments "mysteriously "get lost."

    Don't kid yourself for a minute...Writer Dad became what he did because he writes beautiful, warm words, without pretending to be an "expert" in anything, NOT because you "discovered" him as NBOTW. You "discovered" Writer Dad" like Columbus "discovered" America. It (his blog) was already here, and growing an audience, and would have done so without you.

    We are a "COMMUNITY?" What gives you the right to expect ONLY the "Owner" of the blog to comment on your comments? With the exception of what I said to Hayden, for which I apologized - YOURS is the cruelest opinion of all. It is manipulative with my words and the words of the VAST majority of commenters who agreed with what I wrote. It was also vastly predictable - an attack on me, because I chose to "fall out of line."

    You don't get "the last word" until you start blogging, rather than telling people how much you give them while saying nothing. You are not a blogger. You are a "list provider" of commenters to vaccuous questions. Start a NEW blog Barb. Write. Really write. And do it anonymously. You may think you've "paid your dues," but having gone through your archives, you've paid nothing. You are like the old country doctor who can treat only the diseases he learned about in medical school 60 years ago, but nothing since.

    Do I expect my "comments to you" to cost me readers? Frankly, I could care less. And you wonder why "people don't say good-bye." Did it ever dawn on you that they CHOOSE not to?

    Sorry, Barb, that you "didn't get what you were expecting" - the LAST WORD. Go relax and take your 4 days off from whatever it is you do. Some of us will be planning our weeks, deciding what we want to write about, building an audience, and doing all the things it takes to be a blogger. But the last word? Nope. Not as long as I live and breathe.

    Boo hoo.

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Writer Dad - Understood. I'm ok now :)

    BTW - I just about laughed myself right out of my chair this morning. It's as if "someone" was preparing me for this, just in time. Oh, the irony of it all. This is a comment that I had waiting for me this morning, I had to share I hope it's ok :


    lauran
    http://www.alcohol-rehab.some ext |modifiedATgmail.com | 59.90.x.x
    This is a great blog. In my opinion alcoholism is really bad for person’s health.
    ———————
    lauran
    Alcohol Rehab
    From My Road To Recovery, 2008/10/25 at 1:55 AM


    Yeah, I approved it.
    -Scott

    <abbr>Scotts last blog post..My Road To Recovery</abbr>
  • Hi Rita - To tell you the truth, I didn't expect a reply from you as my comment was directed at Writer Dad and the thread of comments that followed.

    Yes, I read your post, and I read nearly every word of each of the 70+ comments. Some of what I read in the comments upset me, and that's why I wrote what I did.

    <abbr>Barbara Swaffords last blog post..Who Taught You - Open Mic</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Scott: One thing I forgot to say earlier; what you see in the comment section is the ice floating on the surface of the sea. There was also tons of ice beneath the waves as well, emails whooshing through servers as thought was exchanged. No one typing can ever know the whole story.

    Natalie: Well said. There is more than one way to think, and poor manners are poor manners whether we are in kindergarten or college.

    Eric: It's not even high school, it's mammal. It's the animal behavior we never shed, but you're right, at least we hopefully mature.

    Blogger Dad: "this thread is just another example of how this community is different from most others on the blogosphere. People are willing to work through to the next level." Thanks for saying that. That's what I've been hanging my hat on.

    Marelisa: I absolutely agree with you Mare, so long as the comments aren't single sentence responses or "great post!" I see no limit to the amount of quality comments one can appreciate. An insincere comment, however, feels empty, and isn't terribly fun to respond to. Fortunately, those people are never regulars. The come and go, and that's fine by me.

    Barbara: I know that the comments are the lifeblood of this blog. I have decent subscription numbers considering the time I've been here, but the comments I'm especially proud of. They tell me I'm easy to talk to, and let me know if I'm on the right track to where I'd like to go. I don't mind calling a commenter out when I disagree, and in fact (perhaps quite immaturely) dedicated an entire post to it one day (I Said Stop). A sincere comment is always worth the time; an insincere comment takes that time for granted.

    Kim: I'm totally with you. I've never felt comfortable in a niche, and the blogs I read are all over the map. My reader laughs at niches. Grease is the word!
  • @ Barb: Interestingly, my husband does not follow my blog -or blogging - though we do talk about it quite a bit, now that I have time for him. His question to me this morning: Why didn't Barb Swafford weigh in on this? My answer: she will, late tonight, before going on her 4-day weekly holiday. And, so you did. And I would like to respond, as repectfully as I can.

    The blog I wrote had 6 points in it. Can you remember any of the other five? Did you READ the blog? Your take on my statement are so off-base, that I don't even know where to start. How about here.

    I NEVER criticized commenting, nor their usefulness. Far from it. Comments are critical. What I criticized was the game of "I commented on your blog, so you have to comment on mine." You ask, in today's 4-day "open mike," who was your teacher? Mine was YOU.

    I made it clear that things like typos mean nothing to me, but that comments should be relevent and consist of more that a "thanks." Who taught me that? YOU.

    You imply that I do not treat my commenters (on MY blog) with respect. NOTHING could be further than the truth. I have been criticized for the lengths of my comments, in trying to understand, show respect, teach, learn, agree-with reason, and disagree-with reason. I have been called "wordy" in that regard. By whom: YOU.

    I have only ever ONCE disallowed a comment - as it was offensive to another commenter. My blog "home" is, and has always been open to all. There is a wonderful two-day series going on at my blog now. The author's first language is NOT English. Many at this blog have seen history come alive at these posts. Did I "change his language" in the blogs or his Polish/Engish responses? Not a word. Because I appreciate every single word he has contributed. Who taught me that? YOU

    I take blogging VERY seriously, so much so that I want to blog with a measure of self-respect, not for the "glory" of receiving comments. To imply that I don't take responsibility while blogging is absurd. I used to blog 6 days a week, whether I got 1 comment or 50. You, I guess, have "paid your dues," as lately you have blogged, at most, twice a week. You ask a question, take 4 days off, and know that the comments will come pouring in. You devote 1 day to "NBOTW" which used to mean something - now I go to those blogs, and see little "spotlight" on them. You devote 1 day a week to an "expert" in something. I told you a few weeks ago - I went through your entire archives. At some point, you just stopped "blogging" for the most part. On Fridays you re-iterate the little that has been said all week, post a question, and take a 4-day holiday. When was the last time you spent a week actually blogging? I was asked "Why do I blog," and I answered "I write for me, and anyone who wishes to read my words can do so." Who asked me that? YOU.

    I have NEVER cried at the numbers, as I simply don't pay attention to them - ever. Who told me that's a"great attitude?" YOU

    I agree with Marelissa as well. I have devoted entire blogs - or comment sections to my concern for another blogger, or even the sick child of a blogger I don't even know.

    I agree with you 100%. Behind each blogger is a human being - not a list of "posts" that are begging to be read. You have taken the blog I wrote here and shown a total disregard for the fact that I wished to make points that I felt were important to me - and to others from whom I have gotten emails expressing frustration or worse. I STAND BEHIND THAT BLOG. It IS ME. For you to reduce it to one line that was not even contained in the blog is offensive to ME. I perceive that you skimmed some comments and decided to leave a comment that made Barbara look great, and the blogger feel cold-hearted. I AM sorry if I've hurt anyone with my comments here - and I have apologized for doing so. People may not like my "style," but the vast majority of commenters agreed with my points - or were smart enough not to take poor advice to begin with - and I commended each one.

    You position your blog as being for others. If that were the case, YOU would turn your comments off (something I have never done, nor would I). Your comment - duly expected, almost word-for-word, at the antipated time, demonstrates that you did NOT read my blog, chose to focus on one issue, HURT THE BLOGGER - THE PERSON - ME - and would give you the "last word" on an issue that was not even expresssed in my blog, but that you chose to opine about anyway. I am fully expecting to be shunned by the stratosphere, let alone the "blogosphere" for addressing you in the way I have. There are absolutely NO "boo-hoos" here. I owe you not a WORD of apology. If anything, the apology is owed to ME. You commented on a non-existent blog just for the purpose of making yourself look magnanimous, and me empty. And THAT is the type of comment that I find offensive - and childish - and totally unnecessary.

    Feel free to comment on my blog at any time. All I ask is that you READ it first, and not put words in my mouth, or make assumptions about content that DOES NOT EXIST.

    Rita

    @ Kim: You did NOT get lost in the shuffle - far from it. You hit upon my point much better than I did. It feels like high school, to a large part, becuase some of the commenters you see go round-and-round to the same people's blog. Hence, my comment about sitting at the "new kid's table."
    I, too, liked "Grease" better than "Star Wars." It looke like you and I will be eating at a separate lunch-room table on Monday - if you don't mind the company. :-)

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • I don't think I've ever commented here before so if someone wants to yell at me that's fine ;-)

    I first started commenting on Vered's site and then became curious as to who the other commenters were so I visited some of those sites and occasionally left a comment. What I have found is most of you are all commenting on each other's sites, which may be why it is started to feel like a high school. Although it would be a very small one.

    Maybe things would seem fresh to you again if you stepped out of your niche a little bit and discovered some new sites - sites where you don't know everyone else who is commenting ... ? I know a lot of blogging advice recommends finding a niche and developing a community within it but I disagree with that. While I tend to blog about, well, mostly WordPress, I have a lot of other interests and I visit and comment on a variety of sites. Even one's that have never and may never visit mine.

    I also have to say that I didn't particularly care for Star Wars either. It came out around the same time as Grease and I liked that WAY better ;-)

    <abbr>Kim Woodbridges last blog post..(Anti) Social-Lists 10/19/08</abbr>
  • Hi Writer Dad - Boy am I late for this party. See what happens when I take a day off.

    Comments are the life blood of most blogs. New bloggers live for comments. It's through commenting most new blogs are found. It's a great tactic to use to gain exposure. When we get a comment, we want to show the comment author we care, so we visit them, too. It's common courtesy. No different than in life, no matter what age. It's through and with comments our blogging community grows, just as a circle of friends does.

    When we invite others into our (blog) homes, it's expected that we treat them with respect, just as we want to be treated (or at least I do). Whether someone makes a typo or messes up on their thought pattern, we generally KNOW what they mean. There's no reason to disallow their comment or mark it as spam. Maybe English is not their first language, or like me, I sometimes forget to proofread what I wrote.

    Earlier this week when I did a post and asked Darren Rowse of Problogger how he deals with comments, Friar left a comment that hit home (with me). He basically said, "BooHoo - We start a blog, want lots of comments, but when the responsibility of comments gets to be too much to handle, we back off from what we said we wanted."

    With blogging, comes responsibility. If we don't want to deal with comments or reciprocating, we don't have to. But don't cry to others when your blog stats take a dive and the flourishing community you once had is now down to zero.

    I totally agree with what Marelisa just wrote. Blogging (to me) is about community, helping others, showing support, visiting each other (when we have time and have something to contribute via a comment), and thanking others for the same.

    Blogging is not just about us. Behind each blog is a human being. Let's not forget that.

    <abbr>Barbara Swaffords last blog post..Who Taught You - Open Mic</abbr>
  • I think I have a bit of a different take on commenting on other blos. I think it's about creating a group of people who help each other's blogs grow and get found by the greater community. If people land on a blog full of comments, they're more likely to stick around because it feels like the blog is "alive" and "filled with people". So by commenting on other's blogs we help each other create that "alive" atmosphere. We also help each other by stumbling, digging, tweeting, and linking to posts we really like. I don't see it as high school, I see it as a helping community.

    <abbr>Marelisas last blog post..18 Ways to be Uber Creative</abbr>
  • Rita - I'm thrilled that you wrote back and apologized to Hayden. I agree with Writer Dad, this thread is just another example of how this community is different from most others on the blogosphere. People are willing to work through to the next level.

    Hayden - Thanks for the thank you. That s one hell of a past you carry with you. It's awesome that you are able to work against that past and help others.

    Okay everyone, let's hug it out.

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..An early Halloween treat</abbr>
  • I don't think we ever lose the 'high school' in us, we just live it on a much larger scale.

    If you look at the high school scenario you see one common thread: A bunch of kids forced to 'live' a chunk of their youth in a large building. This building turns into their 'world' and these cliques are just 'nations' that keep to themselves, only to deal with the 'others' in forms of diplomacy. Sometimes these interactions are peaceful and other times, not so much.

    Now don't get me wrong, we certainly mature over time, but there's no doubt that we retain the ability to 'act like children' when the right circumstances present themselves.

    <abbr>Eric Hamms last blog post..Adjust Your Perspective And Enjoy Your Life</abbr>
  • Urban Panther said: "Interesting how our approach to blogging changes over time. In the beginning, it’s like falling in love. You are obsessed with it. It’s all you see, feel, eat, smell. It gives you an incredible rush. But then one of two things happen. You realize it was really only lust, the fires have died down, and you give it up. Or, it settles into love, and you settle into a comfortable, manageable, routine that works best for you."

    I thought this was worth repeating because I think it sums it up nicely.

    <abbr>Eric Hamms last blog post..10 Ways To Help OTHERS Be More Productive</abbr>
  • natalie
    i've spent the last ten years working in a high school which has afforded me an opportunity to observe interactions between teenagers. it's disheartening to see that behavior patterns don't really change that much after graduation.

    why cut down someone who's just trying to add his or her thoughts or perspective? people often try to identify with others by relating their own stories on a topic--it's a way to build a sense of community.

    i don't always understand what my students are saying, but i don't dismiss them or make them feel small by saying i have no idea what they are talking about. if i (or you) can't understand what someone is saying, maybe we need to listen better or ask for clarification in a friendly, non-threatening way.
  • Dave - Thanks for being understanding and helping me to understand a little better. May take some time to get used to that sorta thing, but hey, at least I feel now like I have a good crowd to grow up with. Thanks again for your patience!

    Rita - Got your response. Thank you.

    Writer Dad - Yeah, I read the two posts back a couple of weeks ago, er, maybe it was last week, whenever. This one just felt different, I dunno. In retrospect, I do agree after reading everything once again, that it was a wonderful experience to watch this scenario be born, grow, experience growing pains, and thrive. It was well worth it. Thanks for being so understanding to all of you for my concerns (and not banishing me cause I REALLY like this blog :) ). I won't be able to use this excuse much longer, so, I'll chalk this one up to a "personal growing pain" that you guys have assisted me with. Thanks a ton!
    -Scott

    <abbr>Scotts last blog post..My Road To Recovery</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Malathionman: The force is strong with RIta. I would rather watch a blank screen for two hours, I think, than High School Musical 3.

    Rita: You are welcome. Any experience that ends with personal growth is a positive experience in my eyes.

    Jeremy: That's true. What's the difference between Spam in our Askimet folder and comments left only for one purpose? Besides the word Viagra.

    Matthew: You are individual and so is your voice, and you are just getting started.

    Scott: I've never banished a soul, not even Benjamin (you can go back to the posts "Stop" and "I Said Stop" if you'd like to visit another quite lively discussion. What you are witnessing here is real people expressing themselves in full. That is a wonderful thing. We are all different, and all of us learning. So long as we do it with respect, we are always moving forward. Welcome to our community, and please, never hesitate to show your voice.

    EVERYONE: I'm as proud of this comment thread as any in our thirteen weeks together. Real people having a real discussion; an opportunity for us all to grow. Whether you expressed yourself in the comments or in an email, I appreciate the communication. Thank you everyone for making Writer Dad what it is. Without you, I'm just bytes on a server.
  • Hi Rita,

    People get offended in real life when I forget things. But I do. If it not were for my planner I'd be lost. Believe it or not, but that's what happens to me. I still try to remember when I make questions, I just can't honestly guarantee I will always be there.

    I don't know, maybe I should note down where I comment, but it seems like going too far. Commenting less is a move I'm meditating, but it would not guarantee anything. Trust me, I know myself.

    <abbr>Miguel de Luiss last blog post..How to recover your family life - The slow family manifesto</abbr>
  • @Rita

    You've never been to my blog, that I am aware, and so I know you have no idea about 'what I'm about'.

    The cliff's note version is that I focus on love and community, facing negativity with the courage to be as fully loving as possible. Yesterday, I failed.

    My initial response was "Who the hell does she think she is?" But, because I deeply respect Sean, I would never have written that. But I was apalled at the tone of your responses to anyone's comment that YOU thought 'didn't measure up'.

    And then when you closed with "I have found this to be an incredibly positive experience...Thank you for opening your blog - and your heart to me. To everyone: Namaste." I almost had a heart attack. Did you not even notice the vitriol you were spewing??

    But as I read your comments, I realized that something very specific about my comment had ticked you off - your perception of my 'self-aggrandizing'. That was what put your feathers up.

    So, Rita. I don't know what your story is, or why you are so sensitive to perceived intellectual inferiority or self-aggrandizing behavior, but it doesn't matter. I am going to tell you what I should have told you yesterday.

    Dear Rita, I was only trying to share in response to what you had shared. I didn't understand that you didn't want the bloggers version of 'support', rather an analysis of your points.

    Also, I really don't know who the cool kids are and in which 'area' these kids are. An example or two would be awesome.

    Now, personally, my high school years were horrible. I was friends with every group but I was always, always an outsider. How can you relate to people who are going through 'regular stuff' when you are coming home to abuse everynight? When your father tries to kill you and you end up in a foster home.

    Dear Rita, I was not trying to be 'self-important'. I was attempting to make light of a very painful time in my life. A time when I cared nothing for the 'cool crowd' and only for the people, my stalwart friends, who were there for me in spite of everything.

    Friends, Rita, to me are everything. Friends like Writer Dad who are so unstintingly supportive and loving. We are nothing if not for our friends.

    And so, I'll say thank you. Thank you for giving me this opportunity to 'practice what I preach'. Love in the face of negativity. Just when I think I have learned that lesson, I get a chance to be the change I want to see in the world.

    To you,
    Namaste

    P.S. Writer Dad, Dave Fowler, and Blogger Dad - From the bottom of my heart, thank you.

    <abbr>Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..How to Overcome Jealousy</abbr>
  • @ Scott: Time to turn Writer Dad back to Writer Dad. I have addressed your issues on your blog. (AND NOBODY WILL BANISH YOU!)

    @ Matthew: I agree with you about Writer Dad. I, too, smile at his writing. And I hope to continue to do so for a LONG time to come.

    anon, all,

    R.

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Scott, I understand your position. In fact I’m sure WriterDad will willingly concede that I did indeed send him an email before making my first comment on this post.

    I’m loathe to re-examine what we’ve just been through and rake it all up again. So can I just say that as a man of good conscience I couldn’t stand by and let an imbalance remain. There was something missing from the discussion and now it’s been said.

    I’d also dare to suggest that we’ve actually added to the wealth of the original post by proving what can be achieved with some well thought out and constructive discussion.

    Sometimes things need to be said. Sometimes it best to do it public because it ads to the understanding and the forging of better friendships. It’s not wrong to take a stance for something you believe in.

    Well said Scott. But you absolutely DO need to be in this community!

    Dave

    <abbr>Dave Fowlers last blog post..My First Guest Post</abbr>
  • Hi Rita,

    I hadn’t expected you to come back with this and I imagined I’d be off your Christmas card list forever. I underestimated you and I’m sorry for that.

    I didn’t mean to patronise you with my remark about being ‘intellectually superior’, nor did I intend to belittle myself. I didn’t express myself very well.

    You’re clearly educated and intelligent (although I base that predominantly on assumption rather than direct knowledge) and I’ve found over the years that it can be quite daunting to hold a conversation with someone who has a keen mind and an articulate expression. I have also been witness to plenty of intellectual snobbery throughout my life and I was worried that you had no time for those less able (or less willing) to engage in cerebral chess matches.

    And, Hayden, none of what I say here is aimed at you, I’m speaking merely in general terms now. :)

    Rita, I honestly believe we can move on, and happily too.

    I bear no grudge or resentment. On the contrary I admire you for being willing to re-examine your position and thinking. Were more people able to do the same, the world would doubtless be a better place.

    Thanks Rita, you’ve made me smile again - as you often do.

    Dave :D

    <abbr>Dave Fowlers last blog post..My First Guest Post</abbr>
  • Feel as though I had witnessed a wonderful article....
    full of people....
    Sorry about the typos and such in that last post. I was a bit nervous and taken aback.

    <abbr>Scotts last blog post..My Road To Recovery</abbr>
  • Wow! I'm once again shocked this morning. I may get banished from this site, and if so, I'm sorry. If this is blogopolis, then maybe I don't need to be in this community. In a sense I guess I'm falling right in with you guys, but I feel as though I seen a wonderful article turn into a train wreck. I hope that as friends, in a room fool of people, you wouldn't call each other out like what I've just witnessed. I think it could have been handled with an email to each other or something and then if any retorts were needed here, then post them.
    I must say my feelings are a bit hurt. "Yeah Scott..Well, you gotta toughen up if you wanna make it in blogopolis you say with your chest puffed out", No, I simply don't have to come back. "Well, no skin off my back", you say. I hope not.

    As a "new" guy, this sort of direction makes me go hmmm.
    In comments about a post about comments, did the final few comments have anything to do with the original content? Or was it the big crowd trying to pick on the little crowd? Was it mine is bigger than yours?

    Just had to get it off my chest. School me :)
    -Scott

    <abbr>Scotts last blog post..My Road To Recovery</abbr>
  • OOPS: THE COMMENT ABOVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED TO DAVE AND BLOGGER DAD. SORRY!
    r.

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • @ Dave and Writer Dad,
    Thank you for your opinions - they were well stated, and taught me something about myself. I have been thinking about this situation all night. Yes, I was too rough on Hayden, a woman I don't know - and I apologize to everyone who was offended.
    "Sensitivity" is not my strong suit at times. If I had to do it again, here is what I would do: I would have kept my first comment in place, as I had NO idea what Hayden was talking about. And I should have just IGNORED the second comment- something I am loathe to do. But yes, admonishing somebody CAN be hurtful - and I did not mean my remarks to be hurtful, but to make a point.
    I don't know Hayden. I apologize if I "hurt" Hayden. And I will say it straight out: Hayden, I am sorry.
    That being said, I went through the entire comment thread a number of times. I would say that I agreed with, or comlimented well over 95% of commenters. I disagreed with two. I don't necessarily agree that that shows a lack of respect. The point of the blog was mani-fold, but clearly a large issue was on "leaving comments." Since you know Hayden, as does Writer Dad, I missed the "sense of humor" in her comments. I still do. You both know that I can be as "silly" as the next person. Hayden's comments were totally lost on me.

    I apologize for offending. Dave, I am far from your "intellectual superior," and that is a label I will not be pasted with - even in jest. And Blogger Dad, my "second shot" was more toward Writer Dad than toward Hayden. He and I have discussed it, moved on and made peace. What I should NOT have done is USE Hayden to take that shot at Writer Dad on his own blog. However, it is not the first shot I have taken at him - nor do I expect it will be the last. As Sean exlained in his introduction, we DO disagree at times - and we learn and move on - and we have.

    I hope that the two of you will be able to do the same as well. I should have remained silent on the second comment. Often, as I have said, silence speaks louder than words. THAT is the error that I regret, and hope that I can be forgiven for.

    @Jeremy: I couldn't agree with you more. Well-stated.

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • I never bought into all this cool kid crap in high school. We all had our different clicks, and sometimes there was overlap. For me, Writer Dad (the blog) is a great overlap for many different bloggers. He has writing, parenting, and just a feel-good (most of the time) atmosphere.

    Sean is an infectiously happy person. You can't help but smile at his writing. And he's created (or shared?) a wonderful world for and with us.

    All of this being said, I was a floater in high school. I hung out with many different crowds. I never managed to bring anyone together, but I've had a fair share of different cliques. But I always drifted in and out of them. I never stuck to one place for very long.
  • Sorry, I meant to say "I certainly WOULDN'T admonish them."

    Apologies.

    <abbr>Dave Fowlers last blog post..My First Guest Post</abbr>
  • Dave Fowler - Well said. I, too, was surprised by Rita's comments to Hayden, who is among the top commenters on this site. I believe that Writer Dad responded well by taking the time to attempt to explain the situation to Rita on the off chance that she misinterpreted Hayden's intent.

    I've seen many a misunderstandings start small and blow up (sort of like high school drama, eh?) and I firmly believe that all problems between people can be resolved through discussion. Writer Dad's comment allowed Rita both a chance to retract her comment and to save face, after having had some time to think about it. More surprisingly, Rita turned down the opportunity and instead took a second unwarranted shot at Hayden.

    I know Rita via our blogs and our brief collaboration, I respect Rita, and I like Rita. I don't know Hayden at all, but I'm with Dave on this one. I hope that Rita hasn't scared Hayden or others from leaving comments in this community which has handles past controversy in a very thoughtful manner with respect on all sides.

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..An early Halloween treat</abbr>
  • Rita, I’ve got to tell you I’m disappointed at the stance you’ve taken here. Not in your article but in your response to comments. You’ve set out the rules for engaging Rita and the bar is set pretty high - many people won’t be able to reach it on a consistent basis and by default they’ll be excluded.

    It’s back to High School again.

    You can be a prickly character Rita and that is some of your appeal without a doubt, but I didn’t like the way you were so dismissive of Hayden, it was totally unnecessary and I think you should have taken the time to understand. If you really didn’t care for what was said, you could have overlooked it.

    Now I’ve seen enough death and misery to last me a lifetime which is why I often adopt a light-hearted way to express myself. So I like the people who chip in with something short and sweet. They show their support by their presence. Some people reach out for the first time by saying ‘great stuff’ or ‘love your website’, it doesn’t automatically mean they’re spammers. Why can’t they be given the benefit of the doubt?

    If I was at a party and someone said, “Hi, that’s a great shirt you’re wearing.” I wouldn’t ignore them because they had nothing of substance to say, and I certainly would admonish them for having the ‘nerve’ to speak to me.

    If people aren’t overtly destructive, what does it really matter? And yes, sometimes people forget, sometimes people make mistakes, sometimes people over commit for all the right reasons and just end up getting it wrong. It’s not the end of the world.

    Like you, I’m not particularly fond of reading bad grammar or poor spelling, but as I’m far from perfect I do try to look past it and enjoy the message.

    I’m sorry but I didn’t enjoy this exchange.

    Rita, I enjoy what you write, I enjoy your wit, your dry sense of humour. I enjoy the fact that you are intellectually my superior but I don’t always enjoy the way you ‘speak’ to people.

    Sorry to put a dampener on things but it was important to me to say this.

    I hope you understand.

    All the best,

    Dave.

    <abbr>Dave Fowlers last blog post..My First Guest Post</abbr>
  • It doesn't make sense to leave comments about things that you don't have much to say about (or aren't interested in)

    Part of it is about reclaiming your time and life, and only adding value where you are really able to or where you need to find value for yourself.

    Part of it is finding out which tribe you really belong to - and not a tribe like a clique in highschool but a tribe that resonates deep within your being.

    Remember that comment you left on my blog? What's interesting is that I can't find many traditional blogs in 'my niche' where I want to leave comments. So I don't. And neither should any of us if something doesn't move us to do so. Otherwise you're just adding spam to the trashpile.

    And you know what a lot of spam piled together smells like.
  • @ WRITER DAD and Everyone,
    Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts with you today. Whether you agree or disagree, I have found this to be an incredibly positive experience., with an excellent comment thread. Writer Dad, I "heart" you as well; clearly, so do your readers. Thank you for opening your blog - and your heart to me.
    To everyone: Namaste.
    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • @ Scott: Apparently, yes I guess I've lost my mind. You seem to have found it. Though it's not the best one around, I'm thrilled that you have "learned what you need to learn." That's a bold admission, and one for which I give you a LOT of credit! You are welcome at ANY time! (And if you DO find my mind, would you please return it?) :-)

    @ malationaman: Indeed, the force is with me. and I KNOW you relate...that came through loud and clear. I hope you dont mind, but I think I'll take a "pass" on tomorrow's opening. I think my cat needs to be washed!

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Rita- Nooooo, that's not all that I got from your words. I can relate to ALL of what you said.

    Did you know High School Musical 3 opens tomorrow? :)

    <abbr>malathionmans last blog post..Raise That Bar</abbr>
  • Sean- "Rita’s a tough lady. I’m sure that’s the least that’s on her mind."

    I bet the "force" is strong with her.

    <abbr>malathionmans last blog post..Raise That Bar</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Matthew: I've been thinking about what I said earlier. I was wrong. Please allow me to restate. I feel you should channel what's inside you, anger or otherwise, and climb to the next level of your already wonderful writing. November is going to be an amazing month for you.

    Tim: I didn't even catch that earlier, that you turned off the link. Four others followed suit. Good on you.

    Rita: I only know the first one. None of the others. Hayden's comment made me laugh, and that was enough of a contribution for me. Apologies aren't necessary. Good communication is about discovering what makes others tick.
  • @Writer Dad:
    Thanks. I appreciate the welcome.

    @Rita:
    First let me just say, HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND!! :) I've learned today that I've still got some, no, a LOT of schooling to do. You guys and gals have really helped me a whole biggo bunch, and you just don't know how much I appreciate that.

    And in the words of CK Lunchbox who phrased it so well...You'z da bomb. ;)

    See ya'll around

    -Scott

    <abbr>Scotts last blog post..We stare at weblogs, what do cats stare at?</abbr>
  • @ Scott: What a beautifully-written and thooughtful comment. So, do you think you're ready for graduation? Or are you going to skip it and go straight to Blogger College? :-)
    I think I know Writer Dad well enough to sat that you're welcome at ANY time. And that goes for me, too! Stop by, and we'll "chat!"

    Rita

    @ Writer Dad:
    I know that LMAO means. I know what LMAOAPOTF means. I know what BRB means. I also know what LMAOACFI means. I don't need translations, thanks. This is your blog, and for that reason only do I apologize - to you - for upsetting one of your readers. Hayden wrote the type of comment that I didn't find contributed to much of the conversation, and then came back and did the same. These are the types of "comments" that I, personally, find pointless. They are self-aggrandizing. So, given that I've been "socializing" on the computer just a few more years than you have, here's one for you: CYB!

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Betsy: Me too.

    Cath: I just recently learned that I could twist the ice cube trays to drop the ice, rather than banging them with all my force into the bin.

    Rita: Hayden was being playful with you, as is her nature. LMAO stands for laughing my ass off. She thought it was funny that you didn't want to go to your graduation, and then related a story of her own. She too didn't want attend her graduation, and wouldn't had she not been ambushed by her mom. The second part of her comment is her saying that she doesn't even know who is in the popular crowd because she's off in her corner doing her own thing. This is in line with you saying you're finding interesting people to sit with.

    Scott: You are welcome here any time, and please don't ever hesitate to comment. Commenting is always worth it, so long as you have something to contribute, and the energy to do it.
  • Writer Dad, Rita , Everyone - Thanks for the replies and for the comments. It's as if I needed this post and comments now before it was too late or something. I'm in awe actually. A bit confused. I guess kinda like the freshman going into high school for his second or third day. I want to say something cause I'm interested in the subject, I've researched for several months before going to school how to act in school, but maybe, maybe the seniors in the room still don't wanna hear it. I spoke anyway and as the day progressed, I kept reading the replies that were coming in and I felt like I have been schooled, so to speak. Not that I felt that they were directed at me, just the comments sounded almost completely opposite of what I had thought I had read before starting this. Then again, I may need to re-read them for the 4th time. It is very interesting non-the-less.
    At any rate, I'm loving what I'm doing and this site and Writer Dad's style, and now yours, it's all inspiring. I'm gonna keep coming back. If it's ok, I would like to come back before November 23rd though :)

    -Scott

    <abbr>Scotts last blog post..We stare at weblogs, what do cats stare at?</abbr>
  • @ Matthew: We're cool. Not to worry...I know you've been seaching for that "balance," and not having an easy time of it. I was hoping that it was NOT my words that upset you, but the content - and the message! And disagreeing on "Star Wars" is OK too. I DID like the scenes with Harrison Ford, though...

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • @ Allison: I'm happy for you that you never "bought in" with one"popular crowd." If I had to pinpoint my OWN errors, that would be the one that I started with!

    @ Sal: I agree with you, and that's why I always get comments sent to my email. That way, if I want to go back and participate in the coversation, I can do so - without having missed a comment on ONLY those posts I, myself, have commented on!

    @ John: As you know, I rarely take "guest posters." You, however, are ALWAYS an addition to the content of Rita's Digest on a topic I prefer to personally avoid: politics. It is always a joy to have a "seasoned blogger and intelligent political writer" such as yourself on the Digest!

    @ Punditdad: As Writer Dad said, we are all looking fo praise. When somebody comments on my blog, I am also open to disagreement. Comments keep the writing in the original post alive, which is why I answer each and every one. To me, providing the name of the commenter does more to making his/her blog known than by providing the title to a particular post. A person can click on your name, and read any of the posts you've written! I believe that an intelligent and genuine commenter is the best "ad" for his/her own blog, as people want to get to know YOU, not your curent post.

    @ Hayden: I don't believe that Writer Dad disagrees with many commenters. I am not Writer Dad. I went back and re-read your post. It addressed none of the issues in my blog - except for an introductory paragraph. Your "question on #6" was incomprehensible to me. And your second attempt to "clarify" only brought more attention to self-aggrandizement than any point mentioned in the blog. Hence, you and I are in total agreement: you won't be commenting on anything I write. Somehow I don't think that will cause me a moment's of lost sleep.

    @ Kool Aid: It appears that you have a great and well-balanced view of blogging and commenting. I think that's terrific. As to Blogger, I have NO idea. Sorry,

    @ Betsy: Sounds like a great plan! Apparently, however, you already grew up by seeing no reason to"pimp your blog." More power to you!

    @ CK Lunchbox: I'm so glad you came back and left a thoughtful and interesting comment. I, too, would like to be an A+ blogger, but I'd much rather do with with A+ writing and A+ content. I don't look at me "comment count" as my "grade." I look at the qulality of the comments, and to how I feel after a post goes up.

    @ Aylad: As a former High School teacher myself, I agree. And I'd prefer a blogger "high on self-recognition" skip my blogs altogether! They can catch the 9:45 ahow together!

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – PART II</abbr>
  • cathlawson
    Hi Rita - Someone really said that didn't they and I can't remember who it was. It's bugging me now.

    @WriterDad - I am not so smart when it comes to basic things like working the tv and video, but I think that is probably lazyness.

    <abbr>Cath Lawsons last blog post..YOU Have Never Been More Powerful</abbr>
  • @Rita: Oh my god! Don't even think it was you who is the cause of that. I've just been upset over a few things I've seen over the blogosphere. It's not major, it's nothing at all, really. This post was great and it highlights some great points. Don't even worry about what I said. It was barely a complete thought.

    (We'll have to disagree on Star Wars though!)

    <abbr>Matthew Drydens last blog post..Interviews Make Me Nervous</abbr>
  • Huh. I didn't get the memo suggesting we pimp our blogs out on the commenting strip. If this really is high school then Imina go stand behind the punch bowl with the dorks who grew up to be way cool.

    <abbr>Betsy Wuebkers last blog post..LOOK OUT!</abbr>
  • awwww, shucks.....

    <abbr>Kool Aids last blog post..I'm a twit</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    CK Lunchbox: I completely agree. Dialogue is great, as long as it isn't thin. Also, confidence is important, so long as it isn't build on a fragile foundation. The compliments I've received on Writer Dad have helped fuel my writing to a place it wouldn't be otherwise, at least not yet, but I can certainly see how insincerity would only drive me into a tangled nest of frustration. "I'd rather be an A+ writer (and person), than an A+ blogger." Well said, and I couldn't agree more unless you finished it by saying burritos are delicious.

    John: I enjoyed your posts on Rita's blog. I've enjoyed my guest posts as well. They give me a chance to step out of myself with a slightly different voice, and the chance to comment in someone else's house.

    Punditdad: Welcome, we're glad to have you. You're absolutely right. We all want praise, it is what drives us. I'm glad you took the time to comment, and I look forward to furthering our conversation.

    Aylad: Thanks, I'm really glad you're enjoying the site. High School is high school. Someday, I'll spin the yarn of my own experience. Just not today.

    Kool Aid: I still remember your first comment, and I remember clicking over to your site and being surprised by the wonderful name. You're a wonderful commenter. Every time you've left your words, you've also left behind value. Thank you for that. Glen is a super nice guy, and does have a fantastic looking site, but I agree that that comment came off as a little elitist. Some people just want to have a simple canvas to paint the hummingbirds. There is NOTHING wrong with that. You're doing a great job, and should keep doing exactly as you are.
  • I have seen this topic come up several times and as a new blogger, it's definitely interesting. Starting out, I wanted to leave comments just because I liked what I read but I was scared to because I wasn't sure what to say or how and I didn't want to come across as dorky or lacking substance. I think Writer Dad's blog was one of the first places I had ever commented. I didn't really have a lot that I felt was worth saying but I wanted him to know I liked his writing. As with face to face relationships, it sometimes takes a little time for the comfort level to change enough to put thoughts and feelings out there.

    I love getting comments on my blog. I get a big kick looking at my stats to see where visits have come from - even those random ones that had no intention of visiting my blog, just hit upon it in a search. I know my blog is geared more towards family and friends who are out of state and want to keep up with what we're doing so aiming for high traffic was never my intent. I always try and return a comment left for me and I comment when I read something I like. The fact that my comments lead people to my little corner is just a bonus.

    Good comments are like a good conversation and debate and often lead to others posting about something they've read in another's comments. Posting comments just to get visits I'm sure happens a lot, but if no one commented, there would be no community or discussion.

    I will say, though, I hate to think someone won't visit just because I'm on Blogger. What's with the dislike of blogger? I don't get it...

    <abbr>Kool Aids last blog post..gourmet apples and a shout out</abbr>
  • @Rita

    Er.

    Well, I found amusement in your graduation story. Shared mine. Then asked a question about your point number 6. The made a goofy comment.

    So...er, I guess I won't be commenting on anything you write.

    <abbr>Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..How to Overcome Jealousy</abbr>
  • Aylad MacOdys
    Hi, I've been reading WriterDad for a short while, and I thoroughly enjoy your insights, especially the ones in this post. As a high school educator I have to say: it is truly amazing how little high school has changed in the last 30 years. I might also point out that I would rather our students skip graduation for a movie than show up (and give speeches!) drunk out of their minds, as happened last year.
  • I've never been to your blog but found it today. Why? Because I'm looking for more dad blogs to read. I just started my blog as an exercise in writing and now as practice for NaNoWriMo but it's been a blast. I find Rita's comments spot on. I'm not sure about the HS mentality, certainly the HS experience, good or not, has a tremendous impact on who we are as adults. That said, we grow from that or smother it whichever is suitable. I visit sites I like but, like Blogger Dad, am more inclined to leave comments to make public my blog -- but it is killing two birds with one stone. I get to read more blogs and hopefully more people will read mine which are both good things. Regardless, we all want to be wanted and that will never end. We all want to be liked, praised, loved and trusted as authorities in our own particular cellar of the world. Maybe in blogging it's just the approach that matters. Best of luck Writer Dad, I'll be bookmarking your blog, reading and yes, commenting!

    <abbr>Punditdads last blog post..How I Voted & Why</abbr>
  • John
    I have to chime in and agree with Rita's observations. Rita put me on her blogroll (jewelryblogger) and I've got to say that after writing posts and posting up to date news and events in the jewelry industry on my blog, I finally gave up:-)

    I recently submitted a few posts to Rita (I'm now a political pundit contributor) and enjoyed writing those articles and posting them on Rita's blog, as opposed to my own.

    I actually feel I got more out of writing as a guest blogger then focusing on updating my own blog.

    Thanks for reading,
    John
  • @ Oktober Five: I certainly hope that my last line about "Star Wars" didn't diminish what I wrote - or me - in your eyes...sometimes a blogger's gotta do what a blogger's gotta do! Titles are important, I believe, and if I "rope" people in to read what I'm saying by havin "Star Wars" in the Title, then my bog has been a success nonetheless!

    @Friar: I have never seen you compromise, agree with a blogger just for the sake of agreement, or be anything other than what you are: an intelligent, yet funny person. You are the farthest thing from a "lemming" as anyone I've ever known - right Perfessor? :-)

    @ Cath: You're right, I agree, You're on the Money and Yes. You touched upon a few things that I avoided: the sometimes "incestuous" nature of the blogging "community" - there actually "COMMUNITIES." And, of course, though we all make mistakes and typos, I won't waste my time on someby whose blog starts "your smart and their are things you and me agree on." That's not writing - it's a call for help! Thanks for what you wrote. Your someone who did good. :-)

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – Part I</abbr>
  • Okay, no I actually do have one, and yes, I'm going to echo the collective sigh of relief I'm hearing in the above comments. I'm lucky to have a number of regular readers who comment and I enjoy the banter back and forth with them.

    At the same time, however, I'd prefer that people not comment on my posts if they feel it's their only ticket to getting me back to their site. There are a number of blogs out their that I really enjoy, but I enjoy them because the realness of the people behind them shows through in their content and I'll continue to come back whether they comment or not.

    If I don't comment, it's not meant to blow them off. One of my rules for comments is to not leave one unless I actually have something that will add to the discussion (debating it or affirming it). And it must be sincere. No, "You'z da bomb" sort of junk. People recognize when comments are just meant to get you to their site.

    The double edged sword for blogging is that it gives anyone, especially aspiring writers, free access to any audience that they can get their url in front of. Comments (and stat counters) provide that immediate gratification many writers crave in order to prop up their insecurities. Panhandling for comments then leads to a false sense of reaching your potential as a writer. It's like calling yourself a Supermodel because a few people complimented your photo spread from Glamor Shots. I digress.

    I've been at this place before, lest anyone reading this think I'm leaning back in the saddle on my high horse here. I still do this at times, and as such have seriously considered closing off comments. Not to kill readership, but to focus on providing better content.

    I'd rather be and A+ writer (and person), than an A+ blogger.

    Thanks for the post and thanks Writer Dad for fronting Rita today.

    <abbr>CK Lunchboxs last blog post..Lessons From A Blogging Blockhead</abbr>
  • @ Scott: The biggest impact I'm trying to make is on newer bloggers; if you feel that "blood-sucking vampire" even beginning - re-think. I agree100% with Writer Dad: come back in a month or two, and then let's see how you feel...and good luck on your blog!

    @ Julie: I am in total agreement with your agreement of what I stated! :-) I, too, like simple. Design means little to me. The quality and value of what is being said could be on a brown paper bag. If it's good, I'm there!

    @ Wendi: You are, ironically, one of the few exceptions to the points I make. Sometimes I go to your blog, sometimes you come to my blog, but I feel a respect with and from you that you are NOT into the "reciporcity" game. (And thanks for the compliment on the writing.)

    @ Hayden: Other than throwing a few of my words back at me, I have NO idea what you're talking about - or why you commented...sorry.

    @ Tim: I've taken a LOT of flak for not putting people's "last post" on my comment area. My comment area is not meant to be used as advertising space. I don't take ads - from anyone.
    As to your Palin comment, one topic I tend to avoid is poitics. However, you could forego the Moose Suit and just send her hunting with Dick Cheney. :-)

    @ Miguel: Ig you do not remember who you ask questions of, I can only assume that you leave a huge quanitity of comments. If somebody asks me a question in my comments, I will do my darndest to answer it. To give ME work to do for YOU just for the sake of your leaving a comment is, frankly, a bit insulting. I wonder if the insight frim your Siberian teacher addresses what it feels like to getting asked questions that the questioner has no interest in having answered.

    @ Urban Panther: I agree with what you are saying 100%. But sometimes that "comforatble routine" starts to grow tiresome - and the love starts to diminish. I want that love back, and the ony way to do it is by "breaking away" from a routine that has become so tiresome and time-consuming that you have to leave what has turned into an "uncomfortable bondage." I'm glad that hasn't happened to you.

    @ vodkamom: I, too, am still struggling with it. But even the blogs I love occasionally address a topic that just doesn't appeal to me that day - or that week. That's the perfect opportunity for me to try something new - or take some time to myself. But I WILL go back to that beloved blog for the next post. I have yet to see a blog where EVERY post is something that interests me.

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – Part I</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Wendi: Then forest fire it is. : > ) This mentality exists in toddlers, adolescents, and adults. It exists in people period. Let's just make sure it doesn't happen to us.

    Urban Panther: Well said. It's fine to start out in a fury, but it's imperative that we re-calibrate before it's too late. I'm not quite at a comfortable, manageable routine, but I'm confident I'll get there.

    VodkaMom: I tell my wife that she's spread so thin she's starting to look invisible. There isn't enough time, and it's paramount to prioritize.

    Oktober Five: Hey, Oktober. It's beautiful to see you. Your points are very well made. It is far more important to be creative and stay true to the reasons we got started. It's also important to raise our voices when we have something genuine to say. Empire Strikes Back is when it really got good.

    CK Lunchbox: Best. Comment. Ever.

    Friar: I'm with you, buddy. Class clown all the way.

    Cath: Thanks for dropping by. I love smart ladies.
  • cathlawson
    Rita - This is brilliant and so true. I never knew folk asked you questions and never came back to see the answers. That is totally pointless and rude. I only ask you questions because I want to know the answers.

    I stopped commenting on a lot of blogs months ago but I felt the pressure to join in and become part of the community. And I do like the community part of it - trouble is, as you say, some of it is not really proper community. How can folk who flit round making pointless comments on blog posts they don't even read, really make any real sort of connection with folk?

    I also think the huge comment communities which have sprung up over the last few months can cause another harmful illusion. You see, I used to think it was great that these communities encouraged a lot of new bloggers to keep going.

    But the sad fact is, some of them shouldn't keep going at all and it's unfair of us to encourage them to do so. I only read blogs I enjoy but I must admit, I have come across some really bad blogs that are part of these comment communities.

    Some of them are written so badly that it's pretty obvious the writer doesn't even like writing, or care about the quality of what they've written, so long as they get a heap of comments. I even read a comment the other day where the blogger admitted they didn't like writing. So why on earth do they bother?

    Others I'll read and think - WTF was that meant to say - and does the writer even understand what they've written? And don't get me started on some of the ones which are so obviously plagiarised from text books, with a few words changed.

    Regarding memes, I avoided them at first. But I must admit, I gave in to temptation eventually. I shouldn't have, as they really have no place on my blog - I've already deleted one of them.
  • Blogging IS a lot like High School, especially with the little cliques.

    Like the "Cool Kids" who only let a select few into their group. And the Wannabees who wanna be like them, and keep telling them how great they are.
    Everyone wants to get noticed by the Most Popular Girl in School and the Captain of the Football team. .

    The Nerds and Geeks write very intelligently, but are underappreciated and can't seem to attract any readers. Then there's the "Goth Crowd" that refuse to conform, they're loners and they don't care.

    Finally, there's the Teachers who try to get the class to pay attention, not always successfully.

    It's one big popularity contest.

    I was never into that. When I was a teen, I just did my own thing. I ended up being the Class Clown: a role I was (and still am) very comforatable with.

    Hmmm..now that I think of it, nothing much has changed since High School. ;-)

    <abbr>Friars last blog post..Things About the Workplace I Don’t Wanna Understand</abbr>
  • Uh... no comment.

    <abbr>CK Lunchboxs last blog post..Lessons From A Blogging Blockhead</abbr>
  • Oktober Five
    I'm glad this topic received some attention. It really needed to. Blogging, after all, is a creative pursuit--something we do because we feel strongly about something or want to share something that we believe, do, or simply enjoy. And then we go and spend more time and energy commenting than we do creating!? Doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially when commenting does little more than feed the ego--something that destroys the real reason why we started blogging in the first place. First, we blogged to be creative because we liked how it felt to be creative, but now we're blogging because it makes us feel good to get comments, but that only happens when we comment. So, we spend our time commenting instead of creating great things. Again, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Urban Panther said it well: it's lust.

    If you follow 43Folders.com, you'll know the changes Merlin Mann is taking on this front. Shawn Blanc has also turned off comments in hopes of a better blogging tomorrow.

    At first, I thought this attitude of silencing voices on comments was a bit snobbish. After all, we've all got something to say, right? Well, we do, and that's why blogs are free. I feel the best way to respond to something you loved or hated is to write about it on your own blog. Write something worth reading and people who really want to read it--really read every single word--will do so.

    People wanting link love should write something worthy of it; tagging other blogs up with mindless comments is surely not the best use of our time.

    Again, I'm happy this topic got some attention--I was loving every word up until when Rita said she didn't like Star Wars. That's simply unforgivable :)
  • vodkamom
    That was a wonderful post, and you mentioned many points that I am struggling with. I am find that I am spreading myself too thin, not unlike Bilbo when he says he's like butter across a piece of toast. What to do? The problem is, I really do like most of the blogs I've encountered, and want to read them and comment. There just ISN'T the time. It's a tough call. I'm still struggling with it all.
  • Interesting how our approach to blogging changes over time. In the beginning, it's like falling in love. You are obsessed with it. It's all you see, feel, eat, smell. It gives you an incredible rush. But then one of two things happen. You realize it was really only lust, the fires have died down, and you give it up. Or, it settles into love, and you settle into a comfortable, manageable, routine that works best for you.

    <abbr>Urban Panthers last blog post..There is no Alice in the kitchen</abbr>
  • Sean,

    I agree and will amend my comment to *Forest Fire* You are right, it is much more accurate. I guess I am saying I am sad that this mentality exists in grown-ups at all. But then again, I was sad in high school too that the mentalities that existed there weren't burnt out by something-perferably common sense, but I haven't seen that fire in any high school. :)

    <abbr>Wendi Kelly-Life's Little Inspirationss last blog post..Speaking From the Heart</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Holly: It's never okay to feel like a hamster in a wheel. When that happens, something's off and it's time to fix it. Life is short and we must move forward. Whether it's raising our children or raising our blogs, it's ridiculous to spin our wheels without joy. I've had a lot of fun on twitter so far, but I won't be a slave to it or anything else.

    Blogger Dad: Good job Blogger Dad. There are only so many minutes. We must do what we can, and sometimes more, but never so much that the fun disappears. It's most important to take care of our own house first. You do that well. And Dave, you're welcome to eat at my table any time.

    Vered: "I too feel that if I don’t reciprocate, then I’m a jerk. But if I do reciprocate, I’m being a jerk to my family and friends. So the choice is clear." That's it right there, Vered. I can't allow those feelings to manipulate me into servitude. My family needs my attention first, and I need to be using my time to spin words that will pay the mortgage, not the debt of a forgotten comment.

    Malationman: Rita's a tough lady. I'm sure that's the least that's on her mind.

    Harmony: Silence is important, and tapping away on the keys all day long, bouncing around from blog to blog just to fill a quota of comments.... it's making us too old too fast, by making us behave a bit too young. My pleasure.

    Bamboo: Blogger Dad makes me smile a dozen times a day.

    Glen: Sure, I like great site design, but an unattractive blog never bothers me. As long as the words are clear and thoughts original, I'm happy. What I do not like are the countless blogs which regurgitate ideas like billions of bytes of digital cud.

    Miguel: I actually agree with you here, Miguel. I don't subscribe to comments because my email gets flooded (I have a hard enough time as it is). I often forget, or run out of time, to follow the trail back. That doesn't mean I didn't mean the question when I asked.

    Allison: It appears that you have just the right outlook; you are having fun. Every time you trading banter on twitter, you're obviously having fun. Blogging is fun for you and it is obvious. Don't allow yourself to lose that.

    Kip: Even at over a decade Kip, I fully agree that Blogging is a new genre, still sorting out its own rules. The last couple of years have really seen seismic shifts and I don't believe we've seen anything yet. We all need to learn day by day, and do it with integrity. You've always had integrity here (even when you didn't like my joke about the contractors). Thanks.

    Matthew: Happy mediums are a nice place to be. You must practice being less angry Matthew. It does nothing for you, and I believe it holds your writing back. You are best when you are funny. Rinse out the anger during November NaNoWriMo's the perfect place.

    Emily: I do indeed think you're fabulous, Emily. You gave me the first link back I ever had, and have been with me since the beginning. You're wonderfully sweet and genuine. Thank you for being a constant.

    Scott: It's October twenty-third. Please, Scott, come back here on November twenty-third and tell me how you're feeling. You must adapt quickly in Blogopolis.

    Julie: I agree with you in full Julie, and it is my pleasure to feature Rita. I didn't know her topic when I gave her the invite, but I love what she chose.

    Sal: Absolutely right. Wherever the conversations happen, dialogue is what it's all about. That's why Rita is offended by non returning commenters who ask a question only for the link.

    Wendi: You're a great commenter, and your commenting integrity is obviously golden. I have to say though, I think it's spreading throughout the blogosphere like a forest fire, not a virus. A virus has nothing to offer, a fire clears away some of the old and makes way for some of the new. Burning off an insincere mindset is a good thing. We want to trust our comments, both in our houses and in others. Only we can make that happen.

    Hayden: I SO would've sat with you in high school, Hayden. I love to laugh, and you know how to do that with consistency.

    Rita: Great job, and you're awesome. What Kip is saying, is that relatively, blogging is new. I have to agree. Movies were around well before "The Jazz Singer," but they were never the same after.

    Tim: That is an amazing idea that has a snowball's chance.
  • Hi Rita,

    Well, you might not understand it, but I'm sure it has happened to me. I just don't know when. :) It's the load of being absent minded.

    <abbr>Miguel de Luiss last blog post..Valuable insight from a Siberian teacher.</abbr>
  • Tim Brownson
    Hey maybe people could demonstrate how genuine they are by not leaving their web address.

    Just a crazy idea that has about as much chance as success as my idea to dress Sarah Palin up as a Moose and send her into the woods during hunting season.
  • @ Holly: I, too, love getting comments - and respond to each one. But, as you said, the concept of "reciprocity" is absurd. It's a big Blog world. I'd like to discover MORE of it, not less...

    @ Blogger Dad: I'm glad you're now finding time to pursue other interests and passions...but your blog happens to be one I enjoy reading. Whether you post 3x a week or once a month, I'll be there.

    @ Vered: Thank you for your kind words. This is something that you and I have spoken about. Isn't it nice to re-connect with your husband and children? THAT'S the community whose comments matter most..

    @ Malationman: When I first submitted this post to Writer Dad, the first thing I said was "I wonder how many people are going to take this as a criticism of 'Star Wars ? ' " Considering that this is NOT a post about "Star Wars," if that's what you took from my words, I've been criticized for FAR worse... :-)

    @ Harmony: I'm glad you read my post. As an S.A.D. sufferer - which I do NOT minimize - I wonder how much of your "down" attitude was related to some of these issues. I'm so glad that you seem to be doing MUCH better.

    @ Bamboo Forest: If Blogger Dad gave you a good laugh, then this is a perfect example of how comments should work - we take what we get, and enjoy the blog and/or the comments!

    @ Glen: The three points you bring up are good ones. I, too, look for blogs where I can "enjoy reading the content." I have begun to stay away from sites that are "no content, all comment."

    @ Miguel: The way I stopped that insanity was to clean-out my feeds, and subscribe to most blogs through email. This way, I get not only the content of the blog, but can follow along on what other commenters write on posts that I find very interesting. But, I don't understand how a person can ask a meaningful question and NOT return for the reply. To me, that says: "I'm only asking to leave a comment, but I have so many blogs to read that I forgot who I asked what." I take questions seriously in my comments - and do NOT return to blogs where I ask a question - which is promptly ignored.

    @ Kip: This is truly NOT a new genre. I was reading a favorite blog on Slate 15 years ago. But you're right, we need to sort things out. I believe that I am on the personal path to doing just that. It's certainly not right for everyone, but I know that I am back to LOVING blogging, rather than seeing it as a "job."

    @ Matthew: I'm not quite sure which aspect is causing your anger. If I've angered you, I apologize. But my words express my point of view, not that which I wish to try to impose on others. I truly am sorry that you're angry...but I wouldn't change a word.

    @ Emily: I'm certain that given that this is Writer Dad's blog, that he will let you know whether he thinks you're fabulous.

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..I MET STALIN – Part I</abbr>
  • "The ceremony itself didn’t matter…none of us planned on attending, as there was a new movie opening that night, and we all wanted to see the movie instead."

    LMAO!!!! I wouldn't have attended my graduation if my mom hadn't ambushed me by flying in from Texas. [sigh]

    SOOOO. About the 'popular crowd'. The 'cool kids'. I did not get this memo. What gives? Who is in it? I'm probably the loner in the corner wearing all black and scribbling in her notebook. Viva le artiste!

    <abbr>Hayden Tompkinss last blog post..How to Boost Your Karma</abbr>
  • This high school mentality conversation just makes me sad. (Not that it wasn't well written Rita, it was great) This conversation has been spreading around blogosphere like a virus. It's sad that people feel that they have to come out and declare their freedom from force-fed commenting.

    It makes me glad I was a high school drop out the first time around. But you know what? Somewhere along the line I grew up. I don't need a social manual to tell me that in the Blogosphere, "I'll scratch you're back if you scratch mine" is any better of a way to get ahead here than it is in any other part of the world. I'm sorry, that isn't community, that is pay back.

    Real friendship, real relationships, real community, real honest to goodness content that makes you want to go read that post, that makes you sit up and WANT to leave a comment-that works. And it always will.
    I want those kind of viewers and comments. And its up to ME to write the content that brings it to me. Not to go real them in with a fishing pole in comment river.

    <abbr>Wendi Kelly-Life's Little Inspirationss last blog post..Speaking From the Heart</abbr>
  • Sal
    I will admit, that comments on your own blog is a great thing. It let's you know people are out there becase I too, don't look at the numbers of visits, page views and what have you's. However, one thing that I have noticed recently is that it is just as fun to have a full fleged conversation on another person's comment section too.

    <abbr>Sals last blog post..ME-YEW, Not Me-You</abbr>
  • Rita, thank you. You've stated so very well what I've been thinking and feeling, although I admit to sometimes feeling that I'm failing to follow "the rules" somehow (I quickly quell those episodes!). I write what comes, when it comes, and I need to not worry about being on a schedule, joining "the club" or adding the pressure of learning more technology. If I focus on those things, I fumble too much.

    And that leads me to respond to Glen's remarks: There are perfectly valid and wonderful reasons people have less than glamorous and gadget-filled sites. I'm not technologically savvy and I don't have many financial resources to spare, so I am relegated to the "dingy corners of the Web" with a very simple design that doesn't overwhelm me. Besides, simple suits me. It's clean. As for the content, trying to carve out a few minutes here and there to even be here (which I enjoy immensely) isn't easy. I do what I can. I intend to do more next summer when I am able to leave my day job, and when I do it will still be in the "dingy corners."

    The sense of community I've discovered in blogging is wonderful!...on my site and in commenting on others'. Comments make that happen. But I'm with Rita in that I don't want to repeat someone else's, because there's no value in that. I comment when I have something to add. And I certainly value that from others on my own site. The conversations are the whole point, as far as I'm concerned.

    Thank you Writer Dad for featuring Rita, and thank you Rita for your oh-so-welcome encouragement that reminds me I'm doing it as I wanted to, and that it's certainly okay. ;)

    <abbr>Julies last blog post..Another Kind of Poverty</abbr>
  • As a 1 month old blogger, I feel like I just got a whoopin from momma. :)
    (Read: This Just Makes It More Interesting
    That's my story and I'm stickin to it, for now anyways. I value comments on my blog, and I do feel compelled to comment on others who comment on mine. But not just that scenario. I enjoy the conversations and opinions. Yeah yeah..ok, I guess too that being new and getting comments is like a baby taking it's first steps, it's a feeling of accomplishment for me I guess. I am finding though that blogging can become a "time sucking vampire" very quickly. So, my opinions on the matter may change without further notice. Great article ya'll!
    -Scott

    <abbr>Scotts last blog post..We stare at weblogs, what do cats stare at?</abbr>
  • Okay, that is two long comments I have written and deleted. Time for me just to say "Hi Writer Dad" because I've now been here so long you'll think I'm stalking you if I leave now without saying anything.

    And no, I am not just commenting so you'll come visit me and comment today. I know you do that when you're inclined because you think I'm fabulous ;)

    <abbr>Emilys last blog post..Link Love: Pumpkins Galore!</abbr>
  • I've been angry over this kind of the stuff for the last few weeks, and it's come out in a few entries. I've been slacking off in my reading and commenting (because I usually do both at the same time). Blogging creates community, and so does commenting.

    I had to pull back probably about 2 weeks ago because I didn't want to lose my mind, but I went too far, now I have to find a happy medium else I'll go crazy.
  • This is a new genre, sorting itself out. To learn and improve it, we experiment. We peek around, we find gems that lose their luster and baubles that turn into beauties. Some days I read alot and comment a little, others I skim. Each day, I try to take a look at one new blog off someone's list and another may be neglected for several weeks.

    A radio commentator in our area always signs off with the reality check: "I've got to get back to work."

    <abbr>Kip de Molls last blog post..Sounds of Silence Abandoned</abbr>
  • Maybe this is why I was never one of the "cool kids" back in school. ;)

    I've been seeing a lot of blog posts on this topic lately and, well, it just doesn't make sense to me. For me, it's never been "you comment on my post, I'll comment on yours" or "you follow me on Twitter, I'll follow you." That just seems silly to me, and a little impersonal. When I feel I have something to add to the conversation, I comment on the post. If someone interests me on Twitter, I follow them. If they don't comment back or follow me back, that's fine. Most of the bloggers whose blogs I've commented on and people I follow on Twitter have never ever commented on either of my blogs... and that's okay.

    On my own blogs, however, I do make it a point to respond to every comment. I like to make sure everyone knows they were heard, and answer any questions that have been asked. Lots of bloggers don't do this, and that's fine as well. I won't be insulted if my comment goes unanswered.

    I disagree with 3 and 6, though. Unlike in high school, you can be "friends" with one blogger without having to become a part of their "clique". Online, you can easily pick and choose which blogs you read - choose those you enjoy reading, unsubscribe from the rest. The great thing about the internet is that by sitting at one "table", you don't necessarily isolate yourself from everyone else. Who says you can't read the new kid's blog and still hang out at the "popular" blogs as well?
  • On number 5. Sometimes people are just forgetful, with tens of feeds in my own reader, sometimes I'm just forget...

    Maybe we should impose ourselves a limit on comments (7 a day?, 3? 1?, 3 a week?)

    <abbr>Miguel de Luiss last blog post..Comments back in moderation.</abbr>
  • Rita makes some excellent points, starting a blog in the personal development niche I've noticed a strong sense of you comment here and I'll comment there. To be honest, I find it too much 'work' and not enough fun having to leave comments on blogs when I don't even think the author cares too much about the site. Usually showing in:

    - Lack of original design
    - Lack of domain (usually on blogspot)
    - Content that hasn't been updated in weeks

    That kind of thing. That's not to say there isn't great content lurking in these dingy corners of the web but I'm only going to comment on sites where I actually enjoy reading the content, not force myself to reciprocate every time.

    <abbr>Glen Allsopps last blog post..How Strong is Your Sense of Entitlement?</abbr>
  • I'll read this post in its entirety tomorrow. But, what Bloggerdad had to say, was hilarious

    <abbr>Bamboo Forests last blog post..Top 7 Halloween Costumes</abbr>
  • This has been a refreshing post for me. I have taken quite a bit of flack for allowing myself not to post as much, and to read, and comment...I like encouraging others in that way...(not to say anyone doesn't) only a couple times a week (usually late at night)
    I comment on probably 3x more blogs than comment on mine...and most of the blogs I comment on are the smaller blogs.
    But, I faced this dilemma a few months ago and decided that I work in front of the computer so much, that if I kept the blogging pace I would lose the opportunity I love for SILENCE. One of my blogs is about learning to be in the moment and love the solitude of listening. But my world was overflowing in WORDS.
    Guess what I am trying to say is...THANKS.
    Thanks for saying what you did, and sharing what she said. :-)

    <abbr>Harmonys last blog post..Stop Thinking</abbr>
  • You are probably going to get hammered with hate comments for saying you didn't like "Star Wars".

    <abbr>malathionmans last blog post..Raise That Bar</abbr>
  • Wow. What a powerful post. But of course, how could I expect anything less from my Rita. :)

    When Blogger Dad says "I am grateful that a lot of bloggers check out what I have to say, and I feel a tremendous obligation to go back to their sites as an act of reciprocation." I can relate. I too feel that if I don't reciprocate, then I'm a jerk. But if I do reciprocate, I'm being a jerk to my family and friends. So the choice is clear.

    <abbr>Vered - MomGrinds last blog post..Chocolate-Covered Strawberries</abbr>
  • Great guest post, Rita. MUCH better than that jerk last week! You made a lot of great points. Though I've only been blogging for two months, I've been caught up running in the hamster wheel that is commenting.

    I am grateful that a lot of bloggers check out what I have to say, and I feel a tremendous obligation to go back to their sites as an act of reciprocation. I only comment if I have something of value to add, even if it's just a funny one liner. However, I FEEL like I should be commenting at more blogs. Why should I expect anyone to comment at my site if I'm not commenting at theirs?

    But here's the thing, I'm not only a blogger. I'm also a cartoonist who draws a regular comic strip which has a much, much larger audience than my blog. And I have spent so much time blogging and commenting that I've let my comic fall by the wayside. And for what? To stay in the game?

    There just aren't enough hours in the day to do all that I want to do, so something has to give. Either quality content or comments elsewhere. It's not a hard choice - it has to be comments elsewhere.

    So, I'm going to hunker down and concentrate on my own creative pursuits. I'll comment elsewhere when I can. I'll always respond to comments left on my site. Hopefully my readers won't think I'm a jerk. And if they do, I'll just be another one of those loners eating lunch by himself at the uncool table.

    It won't be the first time.

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..Our baby story - Part Two : I’m not ready!</abbr>
  • You've confirmed my suspicions; that, and personal experience have confirmed for me (again) that I am eternally glad and thankful to have skipped three high school grades and a Prom. (As if I didn't know this watching my daughter go through high school.)

    I love getting comments; I love seeing signs of intelligent life out there (it is reassuring, some days - scary, others). I love conversation. But I LOATHE "obligatory reciprocity" in commenting.

    It's so easy to get caught up in all this "social networking" and you just end up feeling like a hamster on a wheel.

    <abbr>Holly Jahangiris last blog post..Punctuation Check-Up: The Doctor Will See You Now</abbr>
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