• I'm sure at some point or another, people think about advertising on their blog. We put a lot of effort into our posts, it would really be nice wouldn't it if we could get compensated? I, for one, toy with this idea every now and then, but for now I haven't.

    I go on a variety of blogs, and here's what I've noticed:

    1. Mommy blogs have a nice way of doing ads. Not intrusive, just off to the side, in boxes. You click on what you're interested, or not. I've actually clicked on a few, mostly for other blogs, and I'm usually glad I did.
    2. I agree, I don't like ads that interrupt text. I never read them; do they actually work?
    3. Depending on the industry, ads are kind of useful. A lot of blogging sites have helpful links.

    I think ads are a good thing to offer a readership, so long as the ads offer a good value for the type of readers you get. I would look at it as recommending a product or business to your readers that would help them out.

    <abbr>Pink Inks last blog post..Mail Call</abbr>
  • I think Brian of copyblogger originally wrote that the key to online is to sell your own information products and don't depend on ads. You're on a good path.

    <abbr>J.D. Meiers last blog post..Help Your Colleagues Look Good</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Lance: I'm certainly not doing this in a vacuum. I didn't make Writer Dad, WE did.

    Dot: Thanks, Dot! You tell me when you disagree, so your compliments are extra special.
  • Dot
    Whatever puts food in your family's mouths and a roof over their heads. You've gone your own way in the past, and it's really paid off for you, so it makes sense to continue on that way. Best of luck with it!

    <abbr>Dots last blog post..Thank You!</abbr>
  • Truth is, we are all "selling" something. Maybe it's for money, maybe its for popularity, maybe it's for karma. You don't have to have ads on your blog to be selling anything. People will know your intentions, you wont have to apologize or explain yourself. If you create something truly valuable, you'll get value back. How you get it is up to you.

    <abbr>Skoochs last blog post..10 Life Lessons from the Pork Chop Express</abbr>
  • I like the direction you're taking with this site Sean. I tried ads on my blog for a while, but found that I didn't like what was being displayed. So, they are gone. Will they return? Not in the form I had them previously. Right now, I'm happy without ads.

    "This is our blog, and it will be exactly as excellent as we make it." - a very connecting statement Sean - doing much to make us all feel like we are a part of what is happening here. And that is powerful...

    <abbr>Lances last blog post..Regrets</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Matt Hanson: Sorry I missed you earlier. Your comment was swimming in the spam, but I'm glad it was retrieved. Welcome.

    Beth: Thanks, Beth. I've never heard the story about the short stories, but I LOVE the concept. Love, love, love it. I was batting around something similar for next year. It would run once a month, January to December. Maybe I should give it, and your next suggestion some serious thought. I think they're both worth considering. 89Cents is just so not worth it. You can't even get a WeeBook for that.

    Brett: That is very kind. I hear that they're brewing one in the lab right now.

    Stacey: I'm totally with you. I don't like having to determine who is really an expert, and who is just an expert ad AdSense.

    Wendi: That's very kind. I agree about the peaceful reading space. I want my readers to have as much white space as possible.

    Daniel: Your site does maintain a fair amount of white space.

    Jim: I think it totally depends on the site, and I'm with both of you. If I like a site, I try to click through their ads, and support their affiliates. We've all been to the sites that have been up for a week and are already plastered. We know all we need to know within two seconds.

    Alfred: Your site (Website Design by Alfred Fox) is super clean. I love the look.

    Vered: You are quite welcome. To each his own. We can all agree that it's the words that are important.

    B.Wilde: Thanks for being interested. I'll work hard to keep it that way.

    CK Lunchbox: I'd rather make money from personalities, rather than Adsense. I kind of felt this way before I started, but after almost three months, I'm certain. I don't want ads, at least not here.

    BJ: Ah, Winchells. Winchells used to own Southern California until they went bust. Now, every other donut shop in our city has the old Winchells sign, with someone else's name on it. And they're always painted a different color. The only thing I love from KK are the glazed, the rest are all kinda meh. Good for you on the TV.

    Jamie: I'll send one over with a smile.

    Evelyn: To hire me as a writer, or for the super secret surprise I have in store.

    Eric: Thanks, Eric. And again, for anyone reading this. The site looks as sharp as it does, only because Eric has spent the last couple days tweaking it.
  • Sean, I think you've got a great thing going here. You're really creating a wonderful haven for your readers and I think you're making a smart move by leaving out the clutter. I look forward to watching you grow into a full time blogger/writer. Very exciting! Eric.

    <abbr>Eric Hamms last blog post..M2A! October Week2: Quick and Dirty Little Tips for Exercise Motivation</abbr>
  • Great suggestion for your site! It's always a good idea to think what strategy best works for you or a particular site. The question to ask is: what click do you want your reader to make? To an ad? To hire you as a writer? What?

    <abbr>Evelyn Lims last blog post..What Enneagram Profile Type Am I?</abbr>
  • I agree with Brett, sign me up, too!
  • This is not related to your post, WD, but a comment you made to Blogger Dad. I grew up in the north and northwest, where Dunkin Donuts and Winchell's ruled the donut world. I'm in Tennessee now, with only Krispy Kreme around. I would give half a paycheck for a good, yummy DD cake donut. I'm not a KK girl, I guess. It is seriously hard to find good cake donuts here, and sometimes I really miss them (though my waistline does not)! One exception...the KK pumpkin donuts that come out this time of year....

    (blogger dad... ;) Eat a DD donut for me, please! And cake donuts are slightly better for you than raised imo. hug)

    In relation to your post, we took TV out of our house in 1996 and never looked back. My kids, now 18 and 21, still feel they have better things to do than veg out in front of the tube, for which I am grateful.

    <abbr>B J Keltzs last blog post..Falling Inward</abbr>
  • This is almost like a mission statement for this particular element of your blog, and a very realistic one at that. We've all seen the blogs that go overboard on the ads and or the web equivalent to a roadside junk store. Plus they can be such a distraction and take away a degree of freedom. Your pragmatic approach will likely lead to greater potential for income than heavy advertising, not to mention that working with others will probably be a more reliable stream of revenue.

    <abbr>CK Lunchboxs last blog post..A Halloween Carol</abbr>
  • Oh, wow! I really like it. You are sticking to your values, trying something different offering something of high quality to your readers. I think it further shows the strength and integrity of your character. I'm just starting out and haven't decided just how I will approach all of this. The future of this and other sites of yours is of great interest to me.
  • "Bloggers have every right to mine as many dollars as they can from the countless hours they pour into their online enterprise. "

    Well said. Thank you. :)

    Ads do suck. Blog monetization is a personal decision. I fully support your decision, and I'm glad you support mine.

    <abbr>Vered - MomGrinds last blog post..Beauty Standards Have Sure Changed</abbr>
  • I've never had a problem with simple text or banner ads on on the sides of blogs or websites, but I really do not like things dropping down, flashing at me, etc. I don't listen to the radio hardly or watch TV much as ads are EVERYWHERE. My site is completely ad free for this very reason. I have a dream, and that dream is every website will be able to make people money without the use of tacky ads and flashing banners or emoticons assaulting me with their chipmunk voices reaching volumes far to great in the early hours of the morning. Alas, for everything else there's ad block plus...
  • I don't think ads on away from your content, on the bottom or the side, are intrusive. And I agree with Jamie, if I see an ad on a site I like I Will check it out.

    <abbr>Jim Gaudets last blog post..Why are you Here? [Digg]</abbr>
  • I run ads on my blog, but I make sure that they are placed in the sections that worked like how TV commercial ads and magazine ads are, which is to fit them neatly into positions that aren't intrusive nor show any clutter.

    Good move on your part too Writer Dad. :)

    <abbr>Daniel Richards last blog post..4 Simple Ways To Let Your Blog Run RIOT</abbr>
  • Sean,
    You have a lot of class and that will show through in whatever you do. I don't think it's so much about ads or not ads for me, but it IS about making sure my readers have a peaceful reading experience. When we designed the sight, I chose to have the blog portion of the site as clutter free as possible. I plan to keep it that way.

    <abbr>Wendi Kelly-Life's Little Inspirationss last blog post..Tealights and Time</abbr>
  • What I don't appreciate: ads that interrupt my flow of reading. Ads are overwhelming and because anyone can start an online or any business, ads make it hard for me to determine what is legit and what is not.

    As you've identified, there are other ways to make money. A little creativity might be involved, but it can happen.

    Good luck.

    <abbr>Stacey Shipmans last blog post..Allowing Room for “No”…From Someone Else</abbr>
  • Writer Dad,

    Once you have a WD button, I'd be proud to have it at my blog.

    <abbr>Brett Legrees last blog post..still doing crazy things…</abbr>
  • Writer Dad, good series so far.

    regarding eliminating the middleman, I remember reading about a man who created a paid subscription service for his short stories. He sent one out about every 3 weeks, and he said it motivated him to write. Plus his readers knew they would get something on a regular basis.

    Another model is Funds for Writers, a newsletter written by C. Hope Clark. She does a free version and a subscription version, but even that's only about $12 per year. She has tons of subscribers, so she makes a good amount of money from it.

    I've been struggling with the whole ad issue. I'd like to have some ads on my blog, but I think I have too many now. So I'll be changing my theme at some point and reducing the number of ads. I may also go with BlogHer ads.

    So far, after blogging since August 25, I've had 15 click-throughs, or a whopping 89 cents! That's not even enough for a drink at Starbucks!

    <abbr>beths last blog post..Bump and Grind</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Jamie: I agree with Brian's philosophy. I'd rather I was paid by the readers rather than the ad companies. It just seems like a purer relationship.

    Danny: Someone kindly put that up for me on Sunday. I believe that is how it's supposed to look.

    Janine: I just want to be me. Hopefully that will be enough to take me where I need to go.

    DC Urban Dad: I agree, and I agree. When I must travel down the avenue of ads, I'd like to do it with as much class as possible. Thanks for adding your perspective.
  • I actually work in the new media space on the online advertising side. Sometimes it is bit disheartening the crap that comes across our desks - the crap that wants to be done. The industry is flawed and needs to be fixed. We cannot simply throw crap at the wall any more. You can do advertising and still be classy.
  • Thank god.

    I wholeheartedly respect your decision. Some blogs are saturated with ads - I go there and wonder if I'm really valued as a reader and contributor, or if I'm just another buck in their pocket. And of course, I begin to question the sincerity of their persona.

    Thank you for being 'real'. It takes great courage.

    <abbr>Janines last blog post..Postcard Stories.</abbr>
  • Hi,

    I don't comment much, maybe I have never commentated in the past, but I think your RSS icon looks squashed, is it suppose to be like that?

    <abbr>Danny Coopers last blog post..Nofollow, Dofollow - What the hell?!</abbr>
  • Non-mutating space is a definite plus! I like the crisp, clean look here, and I think going sans-ads fits the decor well.

    I always click a few ads when I visit a website I like; I understand why the owner put them there. Every little bit helps out, so I'm setting myself to the task of gathering information about how to collect a few dinars without using ads. I'll email you my list once it's done. :)

    Heck, Brain Clark teaches that people will pay extra for information just because they know it will be ad free!

    <abbr>Jamie Simmermans last blog post..The Dash</abbr>
  • Writer Dad
    Miguel: That's funny. The whole web is like one big clickable brochure.

    Matthew: It is hard, and it is scary, but those things in life with the biggest payoff are often the ones that either hurt the most or take the most blind faith.

    Dave: To each his own. I've no issue with anyone, I just want to contemplate whether there's another way.

    Bamboo: Full time = Elated Writer Dad.

    Blogger Dad: Did you know I've never had Dunkin Donuts. We only have one out here that I know of, and it's like twenty miles from my house. We just got Kryspy Kremes about eight years ago. They're delicious, but I've always been curious about Dunkin Donuts. You have my word, Writer Dad will forever remain calorie free (I write with Splenda).

    Shamelle: Thanks, Shamelle. Full time will be fantastic.

    Brett: I've considered that as well, filling the sidebar, now with ads, but with colorful links to some of my favorite sites. I think that might be a really nice thing to do. That's a good idea, making a WD button. I'll add it to my ever expanding list.

    Chase: I don't mind the ads when appropriate; I understand their purpose. It kills me though when there's a brand new blog, less than a month old, and it's already littered with ads. No me gusta.

    Sal: The rivalry matters not; I just thought the actual number was irrelevant. I understand why people start out with ads. It's what all the experts tell us to do. I simply believe that it's okay, and perhaps even preferable, to do it different.

    Betsy: I thought James did a great job with the E-Myth and explaining the review, and still, I don't think he should have had to. I think there comes a point in the relationship, where the trust should be solid enough to bloom without constant apology or explanation. Congratulations on your first affiliate post. I hope it's successful.

    Jarkko: That's well said. I plan to make money because of my blog, not necessarily with my blog. There is a distinction, and with the one, advertising is somewhat irrelevent.

    Rita: If Nike wanted to own my sidebar, I'd write a really funny post about how I was buying ipod necklaces for all my cats (I don't really have cats) and accept the dollars with an ear to ear permagrin. The ads I could get now, or even a year from now, well, I don't think the juice would be worth the squeeze. I kept my subscription to EW almost an entire year longer than I would have otherwise, just for King's column. I plan to WRITE; downloads, freelance, publishing, for friends and family. It's what I want to do. I'll feed every fire 'till I'm facing inferno.
  • Writer Dad,
    As you know, I agree with you about advertising on my blog. Perhaps if somebody offered me a SUBSTANTIAL amount of money (think Michael Jordan and Air Jordans) I might consider it.

    Your future sounds thrilling, and I can't wait to see what comes of it. I also can't wait to see what becomes of your blog when you put your bold plans into action. We all need income, and we all need to grow. As long as your writing is behind it, you will be a success as Sean OR Writer Dad.

    One thing: Freelancers occasionally DO get Published. It depends on what type of "freelancing" to which you refer. Stephen King "freelances" on the last page of an entertainment magazine. Somehow, I don't see him doing it for "free." I don't think you'd mind a "whenever I feel like writing" last page in many of the bigger magazines out there!

    @Sal - I don't really care where I am on WD's "comment roll." If I DON'T leave a comment, that often speaks louder about what Sean writes, than if I do. So - go for it. I hearby withdraw and concede to you.

    Rita

    <abbr>Ritas last blog post..The Exec Jet Set…</abbr>
  • jarkkolaine
    This is a big decision, and I believe it's the right one. With the following and the level of participation you have been able to create so far, I'm positive that you will find many better ways to make money from this blog than advertisement. And those will be ways that provide value to readers as well as yourself.

    I'm facing the same question now that I'm launching a new blog, and for now I decided to go with affiliate products from my online friends. Later, adding my own products might come to play.

    But I believe that there is something special about blogging and the opportunities it brings. Great writing can lead to more (paid) writing opportunities, book deals, and many different projects that are not necessarily money made from the blog, but still money made because of the blog.

    These take longer to build up than money made from ads, but I think they then make better money -- and money that makes you feel better if nothing else :)

    I wish you good luck, and patience with your path towards full time writing!
  • Hi WD - Chris Brogan has a great discussion going on this subject, likening the ideal balance as a triangle between content, premium and third party monetizing. Seth Godin maintains ads are like a tip jar - don't know about that one.

    We just posted our first affiliate post (not the one referenced below for some reason only known to CommentLuv), using a set of criteria remarkably similar to the one you've posted above, and still we agonize!

    Bottom line: if we can well explain why, as James so eloquently did with the E-Myth, we're calling this item to the attention of our readers and how we think it will benefit them, and then disclose the spiff, it's absolutely fine. People gotta eat.

    <abbr>Betsy Wuebkers last blog post..OUTSIDE, SEEING</abbr>
  • Sal
    I also see you squashed the dueling rivalry between me and Rita by taking the comment count down. No worries though. I guess I don't hate ads, but I have learned to tune them out, especially on the net. I usually don't even notice them anymore. I think I have a small ad bar on the bottom of my blog that I put there when I was starting out (like anyone is ever going to scroll all the way to the bottom and click the little buggar). I guess I could take it off, but have been to lazy to do so. I figure, hey, if you like what you see on the blog, don't click an ad, just tell me about it in the comments section.

    <abbr>Sals last blog post..Just Go Away Already</abbr>
  • I totally agree with you on this. Blogs don't need to be littered with ads.

    I actually have left blogs because of excessive advertising. I wonder how many bloggers lose readers like me because of it. It's something to think about. Thanks for starting the discussion.

    <abbr>Chase Marchs last blog post..Please Learn the System</abbr>
  • Adverts never bother me on the web, then again, I use the Adblock Plus extension on Firefox... :)

    (So in some ways, I guess I'm a bad guy for blocking ads)

    However, I really respect your decision as I figure to do the same. I've got a few links at my blog but just to people I think are cool (hey, if you have a 125x125 icon, send it to me).

    -Brett

    <abbr>Brett Legrees last blog post..still doing crazy things…</abbr>
  • Miguel : the net is advertisement to sell advertisement… Good one!
    Since of late I've been getting a feel of this.

    Nice to hear that you are making a shift to full time. As I have mentioned before you have a nice way of relating your words to your readers.

    <abbr>Shamelle- TheEnhanceLifes last blog post..13 Ideas To Make Boring Jobs Bearable And A Little More Interesting</abbr>
  • I agree, ads just give me a headache. If only I had some Advil! Of course, you know I love your blog nearly as much as I love Dunkin Donuts or Breyer's Oreo Cookies n' Cream Ice Cream. I'd better watch how much I indulge, though, or I'll need to join Jenny Craig or strap on my Nike's and hit the road. Of course your blog, just like Miller Light, is less filling but tastes great.

    Yeah, I'm lame.

    <abbr>Blogger Dads last blog post..Show us your Halloween costumes!</abbr>
  • I enjoy your philosophy with your operation. It's very cool, you are moving towards full time writing.

    It only makes sense, though. You are "Writer Dad" after all.

    <abbr>Bamboo Forests last blog post..7 Things That Happen in Movies - But Probably Not to You</abbr>
  • I like your style my friend. You didn;t damn everyone else for taking a different route.

    <abbr>Dave Fowlers last blog post..Flaps. Check. Undercarriage. Check.</abbr>
  • Good writing. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed my Google News Reader..

    Matt Hanson
  • Advertising is all magazines know. It's how they make their money. Most of them anyways.

    I used to read AdBusters. I think I still have a few in my suitcase.

    I put an ad on my journal for the todoodlist (I think I got it from your site, actually). I put it there because I believe it helps. I should write a post about it...but as I'm writing this, I'm starting to see your points.

    I've been considering the same as you; selling my words or wordsmithing without the middle man. If you're starting any project, count me on board.

    I think I still have some growing to do before I can take a leap of faith and ask someone to pay for something I've written though. It's a scary thing for me to think of.
  • That could be a smart move. At the end it seems like the net is advertisement to sell advertisement...

    <abbr>Miguel de Luiss last blog post..Compete to get things done.</abbr>
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